EVE General Discussion

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Once again we sit on opposite sides of the table. I have a POS anchored in high sec, amongst other things. Right now I am on the receiving end of a war dec from a PvP corp. I have no idea why they decced me, they haven't written to me, threatened me or attempted to extort anything from me.

The consequences for them? Pay a few million ISK.

The consequences for me? I've had to take down most of the modules for my POS's, online my hardeners, ECM/Neuts and guns. I have significantly altered my EVE activities and I can't do a lot of the things I did before. Freighter runs are now a no-no unless I have heavy escort. Mining is pretty much out of the question when there are war targets online.

Now, don't take this as tears - if I had really wanted to get out of it, it costs nothing to make another corp like OP said, and move everyone there. But honestly I can't be that bothered - in fact I wanted to try out some POS gunnery but it looks like that's not going to happen. However I merely want to point out that a low sec/null sec corp that declares war on a high sec corp suffers absolutely no consequences. The payment is trivial. High sec corps usually are not combat oriented. Their low sec counterpart's behavior is not going to change. On the other hand the high sec corp a) had to grind standing for god knows how long for most of its members just to be able to anchor in high sec b) is prohibited from most of its activities (hauling/mining/manufacturing/research) during war time and c) is probably in no shape to try to bring the other party to the surrender table through military force.

So really the high sec corporation has a lot more to lose than the low sec one during a war. Therefore considering it's absolutely trivial to be a major PITA to someone just by deccing them, why would you want to prevent those who really don't want to fight to try to avoid a fight? What's next - forcing people to play EVE to get shot at and not be able to quit instead of logging out and coming back once the war is over? Let the people who don't want to fight run away, and fight people who are prepared to make a stand.

I'm sitting here right now waiting for a fight, and no one shows up. So who exactly is taking advantage of game mechanics here?

That is entirely the point of this thread. That is not possible. There is a game bug that prevents you from wardeccing any corporation that has left an alliance until after the next downtime. On the chart where it shows the red and green for (war/peace) those really are times of absolutely peace. There is NOTHING any entity can do to touch you in that time.

The proposed CCP solution is to maintain aggression against the tower by shooting a POS mod at least once every 15 minutes to prolong your aggression past the end of the wardec. But if the tower has no defensive mods that is entirely impossible since you cannot find anything to lock onto to aggress.

There is one possible alternative which is insane and would be EXTREMELY hard to do if the owning corp was on the ball. You could theoretically have a fleet logged off on top of the tower, and sign in seconds before the wardec drops. And then you proceed to maintain aggression and kite the tower (keep it below 50% shields so they can't adjust the stront timer) but a full 23hrs and reinforce it right before downtime. In this way it's theoretically possible, but it'd require extreme coordination and dedication.

For all intensive purposes the tower is COMPLETELY immune. You cannot get around this.

It's equally reasonable to expect the bribed cops to stay bribed but that no longer applies, it seems.

If the owners of the tower fail to set their stront timer correctly then they can be killed yes. If they set it correctly they're invulnerable. Just because someone is terrible at the game doesn't mean the mechanics aren't broken.

You can kill a POS in hisec if you are diligent and crafty. The only thing you cant do, and should not be able to do, is war dec a PERSON. And that's what the issue REALLY is. People are pissed that they cant GRIEF other individuals now.

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This type of thinking right here is the problem.

"he can extort me for isk, but all i can do is take down all my POS stuff and hide"

Welcome to eve. Your POS is not supposed to be happy-funtime immunity. Anchoring a POS is placing that POS at risk. If your corp is unable to maintain that POS through wardecs then it doesnt deserve to have the POS.

This is a mechanic and feature of eveonline, the videogame which you signed up for. It is working as intended, in this case.

Nobody is supposed to be able to anchor a POS and be immune to wardecs

I'm guessing some loud voices got into the ears of CCP members, complaining about how broken things were, and CCP responded.

If you don't want to fight, don't plant a POS. In fact, don't create a corp. Doing either means you're in it for the competitive advantage, and robbing you of that advantage should always be an option.

You can question my motives all you want. Ad hominem responses don't make me wrong. I've been very clear from the beginning that we want CCP to change the game mechanics to prevent the sorts of abuses that I promote. Player corps should be vulnerable to wardecs. Anchored towers should be vulnerable to wardecs.

We raise awareness by abusing this loophole loudly in public. I really hope CCP changes things to prevent what we're doing.