Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Me too, and the opportunity to learn more is always welcomed :P

We all know (or should know) that everything in the game is subject to change at any time. Your number happens to be up this time - adapt and overcome.



As long as they have the capabiity to defend one in highsec they should be fine.



Assumes facts not in evidence.



As good as it would be for the game if this change caused a massive increase in wardecs to kill POSes (with all the ship explosions that would hopefully accompany it), my guess is that there'll actually be little to no change.



Risk versus reward in highsec has been considerably out of whack for many, many years. If you took advantage of that then more power to you, but you should have also factored into your decisions that eventually things would start getting fixed.

Yes, things are of course subject to change, and with perhaps most things that's not particularly distressing. Removing all requirement of investment of time and effort, however, strays into different territory. Changing the risk:reward considerations of a hisec pos would be reasonable, but this is not merely changing the risk:reward calculation, it is directly invalidating an earned advantage. It's rather legitimate to be upset about that.



Not necessarily, as the removal of the time and effort requirement substantially alters the pool of potential enemies against whom need to defend one may arise. There are, for example, likely to be many corps with far more firepower than such a small corp can defend against. I'll wager, though, that many such corps would not be willing to invest the time and effort currently required to anchor a POS in hisec, and thus the small corp that has a POS and sells research slots isn't a particularly attractive target. Removing the standing requirement very dramatically alters the criteria for what makes an appealing target, and by extension, the caliber and scale of opposition with which one is apt to be confronted.



That much I will concede. Though it not yet being in evidence in no way invalidates the argument, though imperfectly worded, against the change. The risk, whether or not it materializes, is expanded from those who have a mind to take the location you have staked out AND have invested the effort to obtain the standings required in order to benefit from having it, to pretty much anybody who wants to be where you are.



You could be right. But personally I don't necessarily agree that much more destruction in hisec would be good for the game. And risk vs reward in hisec being out of whack is rather a matter of perspective. From mine, the rewards available in hisec are pretty crappy, and that's the tradeoff I make for being more secure. What this change does is introduce, potentially, much greater competition for the already crappy rewards available in hisec, while simultaneously potentially making one much less secure in reaping them.

I thank and salute you though, for the tactful presentation of your rebuttals.
Civilized discourse seems rather lacking on the boards and in this game so much of the time.

Deal with it.

CCP didn't give people running the old VG's compensation when they were nerfed from ~300m/hr to ~120m/h.. They didn't give people back time trained when they changed the requirements for an Orca, or a Carrier after the fact.

Everything you did up until this point, offered you something up until this point. Now you just need to find a way to adapt, or die.

They are only removing the standings anyway, because they expect POS usage to go down, and they don't want to completely destroy the ice market. Removal of standings, plus the increased consumption of Isotope fuel, is just their insurance against the removal of slots.

CCP can change things as needed not giving "compensation" for it. When they swtiched data cores to be FW favored core farmers in empire got nothing for example. For some like me, work was put into this. Getting alts ground up to level 4 agents was a bit of time. KNow what I said when this happened....oh well, lost a decent easy isk source. Not the first CCP took away, not the last either.



Standings still have use. Some may not like the remaining uses but thats on them really.

They are making it right, that's why you're suffering. It's so others get a fair chance and you don't deserve any compensation for that. You ran missions and you were rewarded for running those missions. No compensation needed.

And you had the advantage that those of us who didn't do that for the past few months.

I on the other hand, purchased a corp with high standing already years ago. Was able to gain lots of jump clones with that char and was able to put up a POS.

In both cases we had use of the system and benefited from it. So no, you shouldn't get ANY compensation.

Also, great change is great. But you will still need those high standings for clones, so stop moaning.

Or be like a normal person and go on into industry, all it needs is roughly 100bil startup and you can beon your way to mogulhood in as little as 15-16 months, provided you find a nice quiet spot in need of a market.

You obviously went into building supercaps or bought yourself a couple of T2 BPOs then. Startup is considerably cheaper for T2 manufacturing and well within the OP's price range if as he stated he was making a billion a month. Although I will admit that the margins will be somewhat reduced after the patch but still look worthwhile on a wide range of products.

If your referring to market trading then initial investment need not be on that level and the returns can be good to excellent all depending on your willingness to find an appropriate market to stock.