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compensation for standings not being required for pos anchoring
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CRAZYCAJUN
Mandingo's Minions
#1 - 2014-05-10 21:16:23 UTC
I've literally spent years getting my standing where it is now, and have been using them to make a pretty good living in eve over the past few months.

After the summer patch my business will literally be wiped out due to standings not being required for pos anchoring.

My question is how are you guys planning on compensating people for all the work they did to gain serious faction standing being completely wasted?

I'm losing a 1bil per month income after the patch.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. This game used to be about working hard for what you have and its becoming a carebear community.
Kate Blaze
True Power Capsuleers
#2 - 2014-05-10 21:21:00 UTC
Keep crying. You had your meadow till now. That is your compensation.
CRAZYCAJUN
Mandingo's Minions
#3 - 2014-05-10 21:33:17 UTC
how about we keep this to characters that are a year old or older? k thx
Kate Blaze
True Power Capsuleers
#4 - 2014-05-10 21:36:12 UTC
CRAZYCAJUN wrote:
how about we keep this to characters that are a year old or older? k thx

How about we keep this to characters that will not cry so much.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#5 - 2014-05-10 21:43:11 UTC
He does have a point.

CCP could give a 1% job cost discount per 0.5 faction standing above 5.0, to reward high-standing players. It seem as if faction standing won't matter at all any more, to industry, and that is detrimental to those players who worked hard for theirs.
CRAZYCAJUN
Mandingo's Minions
#6 - 2014-05-10 21:45:01 UTC
Salpad wrote:
He does have a point.

CCP could give a 1% job cost discount per 0.5 faction standing above 5.0, to reward high-standing players. It seem as if faction standing won't matter at all any more, to industry, and that is detrimental to those players who worked hard for theirs.



definitely like where this is going, assuming corporation standing would be applied if personal standing isn't up to par I'd be happy with something like that
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#7 - 2014-05-10 22:10:26 UTC
They should aim for a "Loyalty Expansion" where all LP stores get overhauled and effects for npc corporation and faction standings (both positive and negative) are included. Enemy of the state? Can't dock here. Repairs? Only for people we like. Etc.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#8 - 2014-05-10 22:11:12 UTC
CRAZYCAJUN wrote:
how about we keep this to characters that are a year old or older? k thx


Ok.

Cry more.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Hopelesshobo
Hoboland
#9 - 2014-05-10 22:17:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Hopelesshobo
Faction standings reduce the tax npcs charge you when you sell the items you build.

Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2014-05-10 23:22:06 UTC
So...adapt? Find a new way to make your ISK?
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-05-10 23:34:41 UTC
CRAZYCAJUN wrote:
Salpad wrote:
He does have a point.

CCP could give a 1% job cost discount per 0.5 faction standing above 5.0, to reward high-standing players. It seem as if faction standing won't matter at all any more, to industry, and that is detrimental to those players who worked hard for theirs.



definitely like where this is going, assuming corporation standing would be applied if personal standing isn't up to par I'd be happy with something like that

>Complains about the game catering to people who dont want to work now
>Has made a living selling his standings to corps so they can place their POSs without putting in work

Your entire arguement is invalid.
CRAZYCAJUN
Mandingo's Minions
#12 - 2014-05-10 23:58:40 UTC
How about ccp requires either 5.0+ standing depending on the security status of the system or a flat fee to place a pos - that way everyone has to either come up with some money or put in the work.

At the moment they're just going to call "free game" on pos's and any brand new capsuleer can just jump right in
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2014-05-11 00:03:48 UTC
CRAZYCAJUN wrote:


At the moment they're just going to call "free game" on pos's and any brand new capsuleer can just jump right in



Can you honestly explain why that's a bad thing?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2014-05-11 00:08:36 UTC
CRAZYCAJUN wrote:

At the moment they're just going to call "free game" on pos's and any brand new capsuleer can just jump right in


That's the point of it, yeah. That way that particular content, which is soon to have greater importance, isn't gated behind one of the worst mechanics in the entire game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
GreenSeed
#15 - 2014-05-11 02:04:03 UTC
a flat fee to set up a POS would be nice, a billion sounds reasonable and creates a degree of commitment to the endeavor, instead of a corp dropping a pos with a few utility structures and then packing the whole thing up before a wardec goes into effect.

having said fee reduced via standings, still leaves the commitment part in, while also allowing a reward for people who grinded the standings before and after the changes are into effect.

along with this, charter costs should be increased WAY more than what they are now and consumption be modified by corp standing.

and while they are at it, they should make it so corps must "nominate" 5 members as representatives of the corp, making it so only their standings count towards corp standing, as to allow corps to freely invite new people in without having to worry about their corp standing taking a hit.

and to people saying "adapt" please stop spewing bile on this forum, the whole "no standing for poses" seems a bit too rushed and not fully thought trough, specially due to poses with no restriction favoring ghost corps who will pick up pos, disband and anchor again immediately, avoiding war and any cost associated with it.

im not saying the standing cost is a good idea, im glad we are moving away from it, but there must be a commitment to the structure or it will be probably one of the worst changes implemented in years.
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#16 - 2014-05-11 02:54:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Celly S
GreenSeed wrote:
instead of a corp dropping a pos with a few utility structures and then packing the whole thing up before a wardec goes into effect.


it's already done now by corps whose members have the foresight to get the required standings for the space they want to put their POS in to begin with.



GreenSeed wrote:
having said fee reduced via standings, still leaves the commitment part in, while also allowing a reward for people who grinded the standings before and after the changes are into effect.

along with this, charter costs should be increased WAY more than what they are now and consumption be modified by corp standing.

and while they are at it, they should make it so corps must "nominate" 5 members as representatives of the corp, making it so only their standings count towards corp standing, as to allow corps to freely invite new people in without having to worry about their corp standing taking a hit.


What you're asking for are sweeping changes to suit the playstyle of just a few players who wish to try to find a way to force people to leave valuable assets in harm's way during a wardec situation, and honestly that's not likely to happen, nor would it do anything other than cause people to use POSes less if there's nothing to gain by doing so or if the costs of doing so verses the risk are too high.


GreenSeed wrote:
and to people saying "adapt" please stop spewing bile on this forum, the whole "no standing for poses" seems a bit too rushed and not fully thought trough, specially due to poses with no restriction favoring ghost corps who will pick up pos, disband and anchor again immediately, avoiding war and any cost associated with it.


wait, you think this doesn't happen already?, I have seen people disband their corps only to recreate them 5 minutes later to avoid a war dec, or retribution in the form of a dec for actions they committed, if you think this doesn't already happen, then sadly you're fooling yourself and all of your proposed changes would only serve to stifle growth independence and keep players in npc corps where they will be un-deccable and will use station based services in order to protect their assets, or their profit margins...
as far as adaptation is concerned, players have and always will adapt.. a perfect example is the PvPer who was whining on these forums because a mission runner dropped a depot and refit warp stabs and got away from him...

GreenSeed wrote:
im not saying the standing cost is a good idea, im glad we are moving away from it, but there must be a commitment to the structure or it will be probably one of the worst changes implemented in years.


aside from grinding standing BEING A COMMITMENT in and of itself, these changes are designed to be a conflict driver, battles over choice moons, battles over choice systems, if you want a certain moon, dec the corp, if they run, you win, if they fight and lose, you win, if they fight and win, you get pew pew... win, win for CCP and the PvP crowd.


at least this is how it looks to me.
valid arguments against this point of view will be honestly considered, ranting, raving and generally showing your butt because you can't have your way will be laughed at and then ignored.

o/
Celly Smunt.

Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Celly S
Neutin Local LLC
#17 - 2014-05-11 03:00:54 UTC
CRAZYCAJUN wrote:
I've literally spent years getting my standing where it is now, and have been using them to make a pretty good living in eve over the past few months.


And the fact remains that because of that, you have had an advantage over other players who did not follow the same path you did, so your compensation has already been given to you in the form of what you were working for at the time...
going forward, just remember that things change and you will have other opportunities and other paths to explore.
o/
Celly Smunt.


Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#18 - 2014-05-11 04:01:15 UTC
Seriously, nobody has linked CCP Guard's HTFU videos yet? I'm appalled.

As an industrialist, I have no idea what is going to happen come June 3rd. I'm pretty sure it will be chaos for several months. I don't expect to earning anything, and I might even be taking-down my POSes. There might not even be a point for me to remain in industry.

Despite all that, I've had a good run, and I can't wait to see what happens. I'm looking forward to the chaos.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#19 - 2014-05-11 04:26:40 UTC
CRAZYCAJUN wrote:
My question is how are you guys planning on compensating people for all the work they did to gain serious faction standing being completely wasted?

You were already compensated with ISK and LP. Stop being greedy.

Oh god.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-05-11 04:33:42 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I'm looking forward to the chaos.


Without chaos there is no evolution...I have my reservations about the upcoming changes but look forward to them simply to give me much more stuff to learn.

Celly S wrote:
a perfect example is the PvPer who was whining on these forums because a mission runner dropped a depot and refit warp stabs and got away from him...


That makes me smile...a PvPer complaining about being outmaneuvered...
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