Wormholes

this thread is utter ramblings... i mean wtf?
there are no activities that are wh specific so why should there be ships that are wh specific?

He's not wrong.

Data sites exist in all other space.
Relic sites exist in all other space.
Gassites exist in most other space.
Ore sites exist in all other space.
Ghost sites exist in all other space.
Anomolies exist in all other space.

Literally the only thing that is unique to wormholes is the wormholes themselves, the lack of stations and static asteroid belts. That's it.

Yes, there are minor difference in the anomolies, as well as the major difference of capital escalations, but those are basically the same as using your Thanatos to rat in null. You're still just shooting crosses.

The majority of the posted responses on this thread are making me lose faith in the human race. I think it has somehow devolved. Like I am talking to a room full of monkeys... Not smart monkeys either... Hah just saying that makes me feel better. Have fun with the thread Im done with it. It was fun to ruffle all the feathers though and hopefully those who aren't monkeys got a laugh like I did from reading it and maybe it got some wheels turning. Too bad we didn't see more posts with actual original and creative ideas. Now I am going to go smash my face into a wall.

The gist of this makes sense. We have pirate factions all over k-space who have their own lines of ships, albeit based on Empire designs, but specialized for their needs.

After however many years since wormholes were introduced into the game and corporations and alliances have moved permanently into w-space, you would think some pirate factions woild have formed and created their own lines of ships that are optimised for wormhole use. Yeah, there are the Sleepers and the T3s, but I'd love to see some more stuff.

To the OP's original intent: I'd love to see some WH specific faction ships. Either simply refit Sleeper drone hulls, or some of the Talocan hulls floating in the sites. As long as people have been living in WHs and raiding these ancient structures and blowing up Sleepers, you'd think one of them would have figured out how to jury-rig them, rather than just salvaging them and making T3's.

I'm reminded of a Stargate SG-1 episode, 'Tangent'. They appropriate one of the enemy's damaged fighters, patch it up, install their own guidance and systems interfaces, and fly it. When they get it to space, an unknown protocol kicks in, and points them to the enemy's homeworld, only at sublight speed, which will take millions of years to reach and of course kill the pilots.

This sort of concept fits with OP's 'what if they only worked in wormholes'. Perhaps an appropriated Sleeper hull loses effectiveness when it leaves Anoikis. The armor degrades and the targeting systems lose accuracy.

Another idea: Boundless Creation has been crowing about their new microgravitational generators. Maybe it's time for a new mass driver, that launches a probe into a wormhole, triggering a gravity well as it crosses the event horizon, simulating a large mass moving through the hole. Numbers would have to be tuned to make it make sense and not make chain collapsing stupidly easy, but could be an interesting new tactical manipulator. Make it only available on large hulls with sufficiently large grid or something.

I think there are places to go with this. But it of course depends on the larger wormhole narrative CCP has in mind.

Strictly speaking, this isn't exceptionally different from what happens with T3 components today. If you look at what the Salvager module does (lore-wise), it locates bits of the wreck that are not completely destroyed, removes the completely destroyed bits, and places what's left in your cargohold. What you have left after salvaging are the pieces of the wreck that were useful.

Then manufacturing monkeys take that load of mostly-useful junk, applies our own knowledge and experience to it, and creates a working component. This component is still unique because it has properties inherent to its origin, so it can't be used in a general pure-Empire ship.

The Talocan hulls and subsystem wreckage items are the same thing: you remove the bits that are incomprehensibly destroyed and keep what looks useable. Then you take it back to the lab to reverse engineer its inner workings and its molecular structures, destroying it in the process, to create a step-by-step plan to build one using materials present in both W-space and K-space. Similar to how the Sleepers' progenitors would have.

What you have as a result is a blend of Sleeper technology and "rare" resources, and Empire technology and resources: a Strategic Cruiser hull or subsystem.

I suppose Minmatar scientists/engineers might be a little more inclined to duct tape parts onto wrecked Sleeper components, if only there was a more rust for them to work with.


Soemthing big thing that doesn't exist is a self-repairing armour or hull module, to complement auto-regenerating shields. Naturally this would be hard to balance, but the lore for the technology would seem to be found within W-space, should CCP ever decide to create these beasts.

Well, while it's really fun to joke about, in all seriousness this kind of thing wouldn't really work well, hold up well to stresses of combat, or be very stable in operation.


What I had in mind was that such a module prevented active modules from fitting to the ship that repaired the same type. So no "auto-repair" armour modules combined with local (active) armour repair modules. Even that might not be necessary, who knows. Still have to allow dual tanks though, regardless, just for those killmails.