Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This has nothing to do with the fact that your proposal encourages playing solo. In terms of gameplay, skill, involvment, even lore, Incursions are one thing and missions are another. You can't put them in the same bag. So no, your proposal would encourage people to run missions solo, and I think that you shouldn't encourage that in any activity in EVE.



I've read your proposal, carefully. I also said I thought it was a bad idea and explained why, in a sentence or two. Here I was merely saying that I actually like the idea of bosses outside of your proposal, and suggested another way of implementing them that wouldn't have the drawbacks of your proposal.

So please stop jumping me just because I said I didn't like your idea, in a constructive way.

Hmm, let's have a look to recent history then:

Solo activity is one of the way we play this sandbox. There are solo missioners and solo pvpers. If solo activity was a thing that ccp tries to minimize in this game, then, there wouldn't be SOE ship called "Astero" for example. For good scanning, you would need recon frig, and for combat or protection while hacking, you would need to bring another friend, which requires teamwork. How come they implemented both by creating a nice ship like Astero, reducing the need of bringing a scanner or combatter friend? CCP sees the solo players like me and invents stuff for them. This counters your opinion of "something you'll never want in EVE "

Missioners like me who play solo, will continue to do so. Because that is the thing I enjoy. I was involved with incursions, and yes, for a missioners like me, high-sec incursions are a pure pve activity, they are in the same bag as missions which are pve activity. A simple example of proof:

- You've a mission which may be hard for you. Ex: Worlds Collide, you called some friends to help you. You did well altogether, hence you get around 30 mil. bounty shared between your friends.
- Time passed you get more and more skilled, now you can do 800+ dps with your battleship, including a castle-like passive defense.
- You can solo your missions and after some time you discovered incursions in high-sec, which greatly reduces to risk your shiney to low-sec or null-sec pirates who would want to destroy them.
- You joined the group and cleared an incursion site with that group. Now your new shared income is much higher. You're happy, your group is happy.
- At the end, you upgraded your pve income via group work. Not only your income increased greatly, but also you're now happy to play with group. (Upgraded pve activity)

What if I don't like groups? I want to do missioning, but as I said in "here" part, we're constantly getting nerfed. That being said and discussed in other threads, our income were also reduced.

My proposal is not just "give missioners more isk". What I asked was "give bosses when you kill everything with a good timing". Because when you clear incursion sites, big guy comes after (sansha mothership). This boss thingy I propose is the very mini-version of it. It is directly down-graded play version of high-sec incursions.

For the isk part, take a look at the risk part. Everything has either a "probability" or "May" word in it. You might get nothing exluding the excitement you feel during boss combat. I want bosses in missions, because as a solo-missioner, I demand solo hard modes.

Not everyone would be able to cope with boss. Everyone might dip their toes, but in the end, very select of them might kill it and others might just loose their shinies to the boss and will rarely try it ever again. It is hard and risky

I'm not jumping out of nowhere on you, not becuase you didn't like my idea, but because you do not seem to be a missioner (definitely not solo one). You want to enforce your liking in group activity to everyone else in the game, passing boundaries into solo players' freedom and trying to remove possible solutions to get them happy.

And you should continue to do so. You're supposed to be doing whatever you want in EVE. As you pointed out with your Astero, there are things you can do alone in this game, and that's fine. I like being on my own from times to times aswell. Your proposal is however a bit different, because it would introduce features that are only available if you are solo. There's a big difference between allowing solo play and encouraging it with solo-exclusive features.



I actually have a alt I sometimes use for missioning and I do that solo (and wouldn't want to do it in a group). I don't want to enforce any kind of gameplay more than another, however, EVE being a multiplayer game, it is logical that there are gameplay advantages in playing as a group (that's already the case in many ways in the game). Playing solo should remain entirely possible, but not be an absolute requirement to access some features of the game.

I've done Scarlett as a group before, I've never seen her behave any differently. The first time you meet her, she despawns, rather than warps out. (You can alpha her, anything else results in her immediately disappearing. If you do alpha her, she still appears in the next room, if memory serves.) The 2nd time, she takes some time to align before disappearing. That's where she drops an implant.

Also, T2 modules are currently 100% player created. Having them as mission drops should simply never happen. Faction, well, they pulled those out of all existing missions. If it was challenging enough, I could see that being justified.

I was thinking about this... What about having your "boss" NPC have a chance of spawning in the next mission you run. He comes for revenge & warps in behind you as you engage. Pirates don't play fair.

Can I have some of what you are smoking? Cause it must be damn good.

Also, if you think L4 missions are in any way risky then you are terrible at L4 missions.

In fact I would say mining in hisec is more risky than missions as there is a fairly large number of players out there that like to add risk to mining with random catalyst ganks and other shenanigans. Mission griefers are somewhat rare and easy to totally avoid if you have half a brain.

I like the idea of him catching you off-guard. It would both add difficulty & make it an extremely variable fight, depending on the mission. Maybe you can handle him, maybe you need to run. If you warp out, he leaves. If you bring in backup without having him tackled, he leaves. If he looks to be losing & you don't have him tackled, he leaves. If you don't make up your mind quickly, he tackles you, and gives you no choice but to fight... You did want challenging content, after all. It would be nice to add some unpredictability to missions.

To keep it from being a complete slaughter of new missioners... I'd probably have his arrival announced 20-30 seconds before he comes in, giving them a chance to run.

I'll have to remember to mess around with Anire sometime & find out for sure. I'm pretty sure I've killed her with someone else in the pocket shooting at her, without using alpha. Her leaving is triggered from the time of the first player's arrival in the pocket, so that might give the impression of her warping faster, if you were not the first in.