EVE General Discussion

Well yes my remembering of that is exactly fuelling my confusion and despair at these threads not being locked on sight.

THe mechanism of change here is almost exactly the same, and as its not been released yet, if people are going to make an assumption, why is it they cannot assume it will happen exactly the same way?

Ethnic Relations should have been reimbursed. It was a skill that was trained out of necessity, turned into a superfluous skill almost nobody needed. They should have had the option to use those skillpoints on something else, or turned back into the new skill if they so chose. I still don't understand why CCP didn't do this - it's the obvious course of action seeing as the skill did something entirely different after the change.

Shouldn't changes strive to be balanced? In a competitive PVP game, balance is key.

If they make the new drone skills split off the level of SDO only and refund CDO, everyone will receive the same bonus SP. Since it's more than 5 days until the patch is released, releasing a new dev blog stating this info would allow the rare person with CDO V but SDO under V to train up SDO V in time.

Why is this more balanced? Consider any scenario where SDO is trained as high or higher than CDO (most people)
- In the current setup, two players who have invested X amount of SP between SDO/CDO but in different ratios will receive a different amount SP when you subtract old SP in relevant skills from new SP in relevant skills.
- In the suggested setup, two players who have invested X amount of SP between SDO/CDO but in any ratio will always receive the same amount of SP when you subtract old SP in relevant skills from new SP in relevant skills.
- In the rare scenario where CDO is trained higher than SDO, the CDO player in fact still gets less bonus SP than the above players.

As such I argue my changes are more balanced.

In summary: The changes I'm suggesting either provide the same amount of bonus SP to players or still provide less bonus SP to players who have trained CDO V due to the dev blog. By keeping it as is, you are simply increasing that discrepancy. It's like, "one punch isn't enough, here's another".

…and the solution they picked is about as balanced as it gets. No-one loses any equipment or bonuses, at most a few people gain a fairly minute jump compared to where they were before, and no-one is being punished for failing to follow the dev blogs obsessively.

No. Only the people who had trained into drones would receive any “bonus SP” and they would be given it twice for no good reason. This is hardly balanced. It becomes particularly silly when people try to frame it as a “refund” since it is nothing of the kind. They lose nothing. They gain a lot. There is absolutely nothing to refund.

How is it more balanced that some players will be given nearly two weeks worth of skills they didn't train for; that some will also be given an additional full week of SP that they can do anything they want with, even though they have already gained all the abilities that come with that training time; and that some will be left in the lurch and gain nothing? It seems about as imbalanced and arbitrary as something possibly could be — in every way much worse than what they're actually going to do, which is to essentially let everyone keep the abilities and bonuses they have.

No. By keeping it as it is, everyone gets treated the same and no-one loses out. It's actually a case of “here's a very kind gift, and here's another”. Moreover, by keeping it the way it is, people aren't required to parse every letter of a dev blog to just keep playing as usual — it happens automatically.

It's different in that if I grind LP before the patch, I still have those LP after the patch (depending on the type of change of course). The trained SP are basically lost.

People are uptight about it, because this situation is very similar to situations in which CCP DID return SP to the players.

It seems that you don't like the way other people think, but repeating your argument for the Nth time will not do anything. Personally, I think your way of thinking is flawed, but I don't keep on saying it all the time.



You're not wrong. But if I trained a skill other than Combat drone operations in a parallel universe, my character in the parallel universe has more SP after the patch than this character (that did train Combat drone operation). Therefore, I could have had more SP. Therefore, people regard this as 'losing' SP.

Lol. The trolling nonsense is strong with this one. +1 for making me laugh though.

Sorry, you can't say he's "not wrong" and then proceed to say the exact opposite.

He's right, you know he's right, so its pretty obvious who's trolling who here.

1) You, to him

2) THIS THREAD AND ITS DUPLICATE, TO US ALL

People who invested time training there skills for an advantage should still hold an advantage after a skill change be it in skill level or sp.

I maxed out my drone skills on multiple characters years ago for an "advantage" over the lack luster skill trainers so why should they be put on a level pegging for no work?

The way this should be handled seems pretty clear to me and I have faith CCP will choose the right path to go down.... NOT

Good news: they will. It'll be a slightly different advantage compared to before, but it'll still be there.

I'm in the worst-case category as well, and even then, I'm gaining half a week of training. Complaining about that or thinking that this gain is in any way a loss is nothing short of silly.


Yes they are. All other points are ignorance, senseless entitlement, and plain old nonsense — none of which matter.