EVE General Discussion

Has it been stated whether the old skills will still appear on the skills list for characters who trained them? I suppose it's doubtful, but there's something appealihg about having legacy skills on a character, even if they are nonfunctional.

The two old skills are being replaced by three new ones. Your old levels decide what you'll have in the new skills. If you haven't trained anything, you don't get anything. This makes it completely unlike the learning skill case.

Yes it is. No SP is lost. No training time is lost. At worst (if you have trained nothing) you come out the same as before. In all other cases, your old SP is transformed into new SP — in every case more than you had before.

I understand that you are horribly upset that some will gain more than others, but attempting to paint it as them giving out abilities to everyone is unintelligent and dishonest.

…if you've trained one or more of the old skills, and that's what makes it a good deal for everyone involved.

If that's the case, then I don't see any issues with it.

I believe James is under the impression that both of those skills will be removed with only a single skill added in their place.

I don't know why you decided to start being wrong about things, but it's upsetting.
ONE old skill is being replaced by three new ones. The level in that ONE skill is deciding the new skills. The other skill is completely irrelevant. If I trained it to 5 or not at all will make absolutely no difference between now and after Kronos. The time I spent training it was wasted.

I'll use the below as an example as to why the skill is effectively being removed.

If you currently have:
Combat Drone Operation V + Scout Drone Operation V
you will get:
Drone Avionics V + Light Drone Operation V + Medium Drone Operation V

If you currently have:
Combat Drone Operation 0 + Scout Drone Operation V
you will get:
Drone Avionics V + Light Drone Operation V + Medium Drone Operation V

If you currently have:
Combat Drone Operation I + Scout Drone Operation V
you will get:
Drone Avionics V + Light Drone Operation V + Medium Drone Operation V

If you currently have:
Combat Drone Operation II + Scout Drone Operation V
you will get:
Drone Avionics V + Light Drone Operation V + Medium Drone Operation V

If you currently have:
Combat Drone Operation III + Scout Drone Operation V
you will get:
Drone Avionics V + Light Drone Operation V + Medium Drone Operation V

If you currently have:
Combat Drone Operation IV + Scout Drone Operation V
you will get:
Drone Avionics V + Light Drone Operation V + Medium Drone Operation V

In all those examples, the combat drone skill is irrelevant and effectively being removed from the game.

As this seems like a bit of a hash on CCPs part not thinking through the skill transition properly in the first place, what I would suggest is to just remove combat drone operation properly from the game a do a SP refund, and then base the new skills solely on the level of scout drone operation. That would make a lot more sense.

No it isn't, it's being decided by SDO only.
Or at least I thought I read so. God ******* damn it.

Just one problem: I'm not wrong.

No. Stop being wilfully obtuse.

Old system:
CDO gives bonuses to light and medium drones, and unlocks nothing.
SDO gives bonuses to drone control range and unlocks light and medium drones.

Two skills, with a grand total of three ranks.

New system:
LDO gives bonuses to light drones and unlocks light drones.
MDO gives bonuses to medium drones and unlocks medium drones.
DAv gives bonuses to drone control range and unlocks drone control range mods.

Three skills, with a grand total of four ranks.

Two skills are being turned into three and the mish-mash of unlocking and bonusing is being untangled and focused so that each skill affects one thing and one thing alone. The skill levels you had in your old skills determine what you get from the new skills. At no point will you be worse off, level-wise, bonus-wise, SP-wise, equipment-wise than you were before. In all except the most trivial case (no skills at all) will you come out better off than before.

No. The level of one of the two old skills may, under certain circumstances, be the one that determines the new levels in the new skills. It may also not do that. The other one of the old skills is relevant in determining exactly what level you get in two of the new skills.

Nope, you have misunderstood the changes. Scout drone operation is being converted to drone avionics as stated in the original devblog.

This is what I mean when I say CCP has made a bit of hash of these changes. Scout drone operation was originally being renamed drone avionics. Now it is being split into 3 different skills, two of which where initially meant to be covered by combat drone operation.

OP and James actually aren't losing skill points, they are gaining a tiny amount (CDO becomes Light/Medium). What actually bothers them is that others are getting MORE free skill points than they are (SDO also gives free Light/Medium).

That's ok. I know that the devblog was itself a bit obtuse — I just thought that they had made it pretty clear by now what was going to be done.

Maybe I'll slap together a neat table to spam every time the question comes up.