EVE General Discussion

I have read several pages here and I have yet to see someone do this simple math. Follow this carefully.

Pilot A has trained scout drone operation to V and combat drone operation to II, taking him roughly 6 days to do.
After the new drone skills are applied he gets:
scout drone operation to V,
medium drone operation to V ,
light drone operation to V,

This effectively gives him a total of roughly 20 days training total. Yay for him!

Now pay attention to how Pilot B gets ripped off.

Pilot B has trained Scout Drone operation to V and combat drone operation to V, taking him roughly 16 days to do.
After the skill changes he gets the same skills as Pilot A, Yay he lost nothing.

Pilot A training time was 6 days, Pilot B was 16, but they have the same after the expansion.
This means that Pilot B lost 10 days of training time. See how that sucks? It is completely unfair.

Pilot B did not lose anything. His "loss" is relative to the other pilot, and not on an absolute basis. The reason for this is because pilot A could use the same drones as pilot B, so any other way would be unfair for Pilot A (an absolute loss). The base damage of drones is being increased to the level that combat drone operation currently gives you (i think), so pilot A gains that damage, while pilot B already had it and continues to have it. Pilot A gains (in line with the gains that the skill change is giving to all drone damage), but pilot B keeps what he had.

The only problem here is that people are miffed that some people COME OUT FURTHER AHEAD than others, and choose to ignore that they are benefiting either way.

That is what we call greed gentlemen, and while that is a worthy thing to aspire to in game it reflects poorly on you here in the real world.

Time to put a cork in it, you're starting to look more than a little bit foolish.

You dont even grasp the concept of what you are talking about.

Please surrender now before others jump to the cyno I have just lit on grid with you

So, basically I just refuted your point and you have no logical response.

Please eplain how in my case time was not wasted, or why you think it's a good thing for this to be the case. Why is it *better* that people in this situation do not get reimbursed?

And Ranger Corp, this scenario is perfectly valid and it also happens to be true. I will be ok with paying more to "reimburse CCP" for the extra training time they give me, as long as everyone else does as well.

Your time was wasted by YOU!
You trained a skill you had no intent on using for months & months. You even admitted you trained it before the Dev blog, so chose to not undock & make use of the skill in the mean time.

So the only person you have any right to be mad at is YOU!

…turned into exactly the amount of SP you'd come to expect from that timeframe, and even 50% extra on top if we just look at that particular bit of training on its own. If you didn't want that SP, why did you train it? If you wanted that SP, you got it, you keep it, and you get more of it, so what's the problem?

You got exactly what you were training for, so it was not wasted from that standpoint. You got more SP than you were training for, so it's definitely not wasted from that standpoint. Asking for a “refund” — in reality, another 512k SP on top of the 256k you already been given for free — is such a bizarre concept that it beggars belief.

You come out ahead. There are no two ways about it. Why on earth should you receive “compensation” for being handed more training time than you originally had? Greed doesn't even begin to describe it. I've likened it to Enron accounting because it's really the only thing that comes close.

Is there? Please provide one that fulfils the only relevant condition: no-one must lose any abilities or bonuses they currently possess.

In other words:
• If you have SDO trained, you must gain LDO and MDO at the same level, or you will lose access to the T1 and T2 drones.
• If you have SDO trained, you must gain DAv at the same level, or you will lose access to the range bonuses.
• If you have CDO trained, you must gain LDO and MDO at the same level, or you will lose access to the damage bonuses.

Since anyone with half a brain can come up with a way to accomplish it, please explain how to do this without incurring the current set of (non)issues.

Why would Fozzy try and duplicate the work of people who are doing such a good job already?

Command Ships required Battlecruisers V which was split into 4 skills. Futhermore, the way in which Command Ship pilots were grandfathered in means that I can now fly (four) T2 ships despite never having trained the required skills.

I apologize for confusing you, though.

CS pilots weren't actually grand fathered in, & yes Tippia is right, no skills were given.
They changed the entire skill system at the same time which means you only need the top tier of pre-reqs now to fly any ship. Meaning a lot of things are possible now when they might not have been before. Mostly dealing with people who fail to update clones of course. But it wasn't specific to CS pilots, it was everyone.