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Returning player, my old level 4 mission boats no longer acceptable.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#41 - 2014-05-14 20:13:20 UTC
The thing about your plan that strikes me as the biggest hindrance is capacitor. For Minmatar it was pretty easy to get into a Machariel and skill into my guns. I started with about 700-750 DPS and worked up to 1300+. With a NM you will get killed in a mission with low gunnery skills because you will not have enough Tank+DPS for the missions.

You do have good energy management though so the road wont be as long as doing it from scratch.

I would go harbinger for level 3's, and Navy Apoc/NM/Pally for your end game ship. I actually just made a thread asking about the Pally because I'm not sure if its as good as a NM.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-05-14 23:47:40 UTC
Barton Breau wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
erg cz wrote:


If I am not mistaken, reactive armor hardener get stacking penalty with damage control in the same way how energized nano membrane get penalty with specific armor hardeners. So I use 2 armor harderner plus damage control in my mission. I often use range tank, where I do not get armor hit at all. So I do use damage control sinse it gives bonuses for shield as well.



Matter of personal preference I suppose.

The stacking penalty reduces the Damage Control armor bonus from 15% to 13 % so its pretty irrelevant. Stacking has no effect on the RAH or on the Damage Control shield and hull resistances.

Basically two mission hardeners plus a damage control "3 slot tank" gives gives you 62% on each of the two main damage types and 15% on the two non hardened types.

A Damage Control, RAH and EANM (level V skills) "3 slot tank" against two incoming damage types gives 52% on each of the two main damage types and 35% on the other two types.

As expected the mission specific hardeners are 10% better against the chosen damage types but are an effort to swap out and resistance is worse if you get non hardened damage.


Reactive uses cap, you could have +48-50% faction energizeds (not omni), and two resist tank can be avoided while sniping, just max out the resist they are shooting missiles at.

In the end it is always personal preference :)

Keep in mind that resist 53% vs resist 63% is not 10% damage, but 20%, for 2 resist tank you should probably be aiming at atleast 60% on those two resists if not significantly more.



Good point, 20% better not 10%. Bad math on my part.

That said, my T2 Domi rarely gets into armor at all in level IVs. WC Gurista room is about the only time the repper gets turned on. Once low slot omni mods become available in summer I may just run the repper and damage control for a two slot tank.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#43 - 2014-05-15 02:58:22 UTC
Get a Rattlesnake and enjoy your L4's.

You are a drone pilot so use the best drone ship for the job.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-05-15 04:33:23 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Get a Rattlesnake and enjoy your L4's.

You are a drone pilot so use the best drone ship for the job.


Depends, i personally hate the rattlesnake. Stats on paper r great but the instant damage of drones and the delayed damage of missiles just ruins it for me
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#45 - 2014-05-16 00:52:33 UTC
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Get a Rattlesnake and enjoy your L4's.

You are a drone pilot so use the best drone ship for the job.


Depends, i personally hate the rattlesnake. Stats on paper r great but the instant damage of drones and the delayed damage of missiles just ruins it for me


Pro tip:
Missile the big stuff into hull and then switch the target for the missiles and finish off with the drones. You won't waste 1/2 your volley on the last shot. When drones are waiting for the next BS to hit hull have them on the small stuff.

Might help with the issue if the reason for the hate is drones popping things before the missiles reach target.
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