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Proposal: Debt focused Exchange with Automated Credit Rating Mechanic

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#41 - 2014-07-07 18:45:46 UTC
Hexxx wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Im currently building something similar ;)


I hope you beat me to implementation then. Happy to give advice or share what I'm doing if you're interested.

That goes for everyone by the way - I'm going to be working extra hard to avoid falling into my "imperialist" philosophy when it comes to development and operation of the Exchange.

However, I retain full rights to being an imperialist the rest of the time. Pirate


Not yet and not as complex as you are talking about this is just a slow project which i dont really know the direction i am going with it lol and lack of experience in finance in eve so just winging it really :)

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Hexxx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2014-07-07 19:46:53 UTC
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Hexxx wrote:
TheSmokingHertog wrote:


Lots of things about stuff.



...and people say I'm too complicated. Big smile


Expecting it long before soon(TM)... but you dont like this then?



My personal take is that you've over-engineered the solution. I'm not a fan of adding complexity for the sake of it - the idea of "tiers" lacks real utility.

That said; it's good to discuss and I can give it a better and more complete response when I have more time this week.
Hexxx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-07-07 19:47:38 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Hexxx wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Im currently building something similar ;)


I hope you beat me to implementation then. Happy to give advice or share what I'm doing if you're interested.

That goes for everyone by the way - I'm going to be working extra hard to avoid falling into my "imperialist" philosophy when it comes to development and operation of the Exchange.

However, I retain full rights to being an imperialist the rest of the time. Pirate


Not yet and not as complex as you are talking about this is just a slow project which i dont really know the direction i am going with it lol and lack of experience in finance in eve so just winging it really :)


Best of luck on it - feel free to steal my ideas if you'd like.
Gaius Cotta
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-07-14 07:42:01 UTC
Hexxx wrote:
A fine capability that is ultimately limited by it's transparency. The reason why commodities markets are so efficient in-game is that they have price spread and trending information. Financial instruments are no different, a lack of transparency or difficulty in achieving that transparency makes for an inefficient and ultimately non-liquid market. I view those kinds of markets as dysfunctional though that doesn't stop them from working and filling a need as LendingClub clearly does.

In summary; it's good, but not as good as it could be.


You clearly misinterpreted my meaning, I stated LC as a likeness only, in my explanation I showed how full transparency would work. As money is placed onto a contract, the average yield can be seen, while at the same time, the rating is also linked to yield acceptance into a chart.

Here's an example, say I wanted a loan for 500 million isk...I create a contract for 500 million isk and click "get quote." The server would see that I have no loans outstanding, but as a new player, my risk would be high....so they rate me as a C, charge me XY isk for the quote, and my contract is put on the market with a 1 month expiration. Thousands of people individually decide they want to offer some ISK as investing prospect and come across my contract, they look at the rating of C and check the charts to see that 10% is the going average at that rating....they all decide to put in 100k isk where some choose 9% (to try and undercut the competition in order to land the contract), while others choose 11% (in order to raise the average and hopefully not get pushed off the contract). During this allotment, people can see the current average on the contract, creating pressures in both directions as it goes. When the 500 million is reached, the expiration is immediately changed to 1 week...at which point people can still keep bidding, and I can at any point accept the contract at the rate listed and bidding stops.

The moment I accept, I receive the money along with the % loan in my wallet. Everyone who lost out on the bidding (by being too high in %) will be refunded. The % that I chose will alter the C rating chart to average my acceptance into it (so if I chose 9%, which is below the 10% currently, it may make it 9.99% average as an example).

The idea is that people will risk what they believe is true % value based on the rating given, so the chart will reflect that, and players will (in normal circumstance) respect those % give or take. If every person in the game pays back their loans properly, no matter what rating they have, then there would be intrinsically no risk....therefore people would just undercut each other to hold contracts, and the % would fall to the floor (which reflects the "no risk" sentiment). However, if say C rating people have a 10% chance of defaulting, then you can expect the % chart to average anywhere from 10% to 15% because the player-base would pressure towards that equilibrium of risk-versus-rewards.

Plus....the "notes" created (on the bid-side of the contract) could be an item itself, which can be listed on a debt market as a normal note market goes.
Dethmourne Silvermane
Silvermane Holdings LTD
#45 - 2014-07-15 18:29:44 UTC
Do you intend to limit this to corporate/alliance level bonds? I've been reviewing your concept and the use cases and I'm very interested in

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