EVE General Discussion

That's exactly when they have the most to lose.

That's great and wonderful. It's kind of funny that you come to an MMO, where the basis of the market is social interaction, and expect 110% privacy, on your fictional persona. I can use my currently available tools to find out who you are, what you do and where you've been. an API makes it so much easier to keep tabs on though, so your privacy flag just paid a visit to my nether regions, figuratively of course.

It's even funnier that you tried to draw a parallel with social media, considering that the information on both mediums can be fabricated, as it often is, and neither medium has an active campaign on protecting your privacy. *facebook is a business because they sell information, didn't you know?*

You are still thinking that we (the corp recruiters/CEOs) owe something to you. We don't. In fact, we have no reason to let you in our goods, information, community, Sov, wormholes, POSes and allied list if you can't prove who you say you are. It's a wonderful thing that you consider yourself a honest and strai- wait, you had spais in some other places and sold info.
Screw that. This is the very reason I need an API from you, just like I do from anyone else, if you were to apply to my corporation. You would think that none of your previous accounts would appear on this one? I doubt it. There is always something, if you dig deep enough.

You are still evading the principle that trust is earned, not granted. Everywhere, not just in Eve. If not, then you must let anyone spend the night over in your house, without keeping an eye out for things going amiss, right? Or leave your cellphone unattended on a fast food restaurant and expect it to be there, along with your wallet. Because no one would ever dare to cross that line and just take it. I mean, since we are still drawing parallels between a game and social media.

Lastly, You have, once again, evaded the question. Why don't you start your own corp if you are so paranoid about your "privacy"?

Sounds paranoid, and naa nothing here.



I said trust and respect is earned. Too busy writing the wall of text to notice? I just say its not automatically given because someone is a CEO, or recruiter.



Umm, you mad, or just a little out there?

All solid points. For the skill part, one thing the last certificate system was able to do was allow a player to make some publicly available. Then a recruiter could see them and know they had x,y,z skills and such. I wonder if it would be worth bringing back something similar to it where the player could offer a specified recruiter a glimpse at their skills. Maybe a skill requirement form as part of the application. Sure it doesn't have to be super detailed like exact skill points or what skill you are currently training. Maybe just a simple check mark on some categories.

Sure there is already 3rd party tools out there that utilize the API, but there is nothing to inform new players about them and like what has already been established as fact; the vast majority of players only deal with the actual client for anything EVE related.

Just like there are awoxers on one side of the fence, there are scumbags on the other too.

One day I logged on to TS and heard a couple of my corp's directors having a laugh over someone's private mail. Nothing to do with corp business, but it did highlight that these particular directors felt the antisocial need to pry into other people's private affairs and spread the contents in the name of humour.

I quietly disabled the API I had given them as I thought we had grown a trusting relationship in the time I'd been there. A week or so later some complete nobody of a director demanded in corp chat "Give me your new API ASAP" or something to that effect. The tone of the people I thought were my friends changed completely. I left the corp that day.

I find it sad that in Eve, unlike any other game I have played, people feel the need to elevate themselves to a position of imaginary power and pretend they have HR departments. Pretending you are a spaceship admiral is the point of the game. Pretending you are as important as those in RL who actually have to deal with tax offices and pay salaries is just pathetic.

It's a game. I, too, will stay solo until more corps realise that they are driving people away with this nonsense.

More like player A selling character B to player C, who attempts to get character B into the same corp it was in without explicitly impersonating player A (which is against CCP policies)

Without an out-of-game infrastructure the corp director who decides whether or not to accept character B would have to contact player A to see if that's still him, go back through months of corp mails looking for a character sale notice or search for a sale thread on these forums. With an out-of-game infrastructure, the director would simply need to check if that character is under a valid API on file.

If you want an API you should also demand a Bio

Nothing says "I cant be bothered" or "Im an alt" more than not even taking the time to write "i liek chees hee hee" in an ingame notepad

Uh, well I did ask a simple question, and you have refused to answer it. So maybe I am a bit out there. What of it?

You say trust is earned, and it goes both ways, but you won't hand out your API. I like how you completly ignored the scenarios I drew for you as well as your social media parallel.

By now, it sounds like you are just trolling, and are continuing this "discussion" for the sake of stroking your ego.

I can guarantee that you have traces of who you've been in your current account. Deny it all you want, it's there.

EDIT: Come to think of it, you have yet to answer a single question. You wont provide your API, you wont give us your reasoning, you wont tell why you are so hellbent into joining a corporation rather than starting your own.....Man, I don't think anyone who is somebody will be interested in you.

Erufen I don't think the person you are addressing is the OP. He's not made any remarks suggesting he's 'hellbent on joining a corp' and whining about API requirements, he just remarked he finds persistent Full API monitoring invasive.

Which isn't that rare a sentiment across the game, particularly for those who have been in tight knit corps for a long time where trust is earned and is reciprocal. How many corps produce any financial reporting to show what corp income is actually spent on? Corps and alliances demand time, commitment and the ability to keep tabs on their members but they don't always repay that fairly. Plenty of corps exist simply to leech off members and get grunts in fleet.

Granted, I can see the need for WH corps to monitor assets because of the risk of theft, and for Supercap heavy alliances/sovholders who are vulnerable to spies to monitor members in various ways. There are a hell of a lot of corps adopting the practice as standard though who simply don't need to, partly because of flaws with corp management, but I suspect equally because they are just **** corps with leaders who are bad at man management.

There's a simpler way to create barriers for entry for spies and awoxers which is to permenantly close recruitment. Or use training corps. That has been the way well established corps have operated for years, but because of supercap proliferation they are forced to shift policies, and I'm not entirely sure it's a good thing overall from a community point of view. Using a recruitment system based on recommendation/vouch works well in some ways, and ensures people join corps where they already have friends. Taken to extremes if the new member misbehaves, the recommendee is kicked too. Relying purely on API monitoring corrupts that practice, and you end up with corps stuffed full of strangers who may well detest each other.

Either way it's a matter of perspective and there's no point arguing in circles given the OP already stated he's a former spy running into self-erected barriers he's not smart enough to think a way around.

true, but just because it's obsolete doesn't mean it's useless.

I mean, you still use a doorlock and carry around your house keys, don't you?