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Recruitment and API keys
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Debyl Vuld
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-05-08 15:31:21 UTC
So I've been gone a while, and in my recent return to eve I've discovered that if you are looking for a corp, every single corp you want to join now needs a full API key from you - ie: a backdoor into your account, all your mails, your finances, your implants and everything about you contained within.

When did it become normal to volunteer that kind of information to some neckbeard in the videogame? When you refuse to give it on principle people treat you like you have two heads, like you're hiding something. It seems people cannot comprehend that you don't want to volunteer a backdoor into your account to people you don't know any more than those people want to let you in without knowing a little more about you.

Even when I offer a kills-only API to show I don't kill corp mates, I'm still told to gtfo like I were some pariah. I find it really frustrating that this is now the norm and there doesn't seem to be much way around it. Even with references, 90 mil sp, FC ability, 9 mil sp in leadership etc. even small corps with 10 guys have told me to get lost because I would not give more than a kills-only API.

I wonder if CCP foresaw this when they expanded the API function a few years ago. That it is now the norm to bare all to strangers just to join their space-guild.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2014-05-08 15:32:29 UTC
because of :awox:

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-05-08 15:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project's Alt
Odd.

When I joined the corp I'm in right now,
nobody asked me for an API ...


Doc Fury wrote:
because of :awox:
Hahaha my CEO has a business deal with
a guy out of corp. That guy contracted the stuff for free to the corp.

Worth 131 Million ISK.


I accepted the contract.

Insulted my CEO.


Punished him publicly for this serious faux-pas,
because he should have told that guy not to contract it to the corp,
or at least not for free.


Contracted the minerals to my CEO.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#4 - 2014-05-08 15:37:09 UTC
Psychotic Monk is the reason why.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#5 - 2014-05-08 15:42:45 UTC
Well because people are encouraged to play the villain, a lot of people do. So because corps instantly allow you to start ganking your corpmates, don't allow you to boot someone while they are in space, and offer some of the most primitive methods of setting up corp security, it's easier to just put in large limitations on who you recruit, leading off with making sure they are willing to give up all information about themselves.

Corporation stuff is in dire need of some love. Pretty much the way it works at the moment, it's great for encouraging villains, but it actively discourages teamwork for that very reason.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#6 - 2014-05-08 15:48:42 UTC
Ask them if they will take a isk deposit to cover without you giving an API that will be returned once you have proven your good character?

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

@grr_goons : Wisdom, Insight, GBS Posts
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-05-08 15:50:41 UTC
Victor Dathar wrote:
Ask them if they will take a isk deposit to cover without you giving an API that will be returned once you have proven your good character?


Is 500 mill still the standard rate?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#8 - 2014-05-08 15:51:08 UTC
BTW, corps askign for API keys are nothing new. I remember having to provide my API key to a crop I joined in 2009.
Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#9 - 2014-05-08 15:51:59 UTC
500m if your public killboard is clear of shooting Goons. Otherwise it will be negotiable based on previous corp history.

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

@grr_goons : Wisdom, Insight, GBS Posts
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#10 - 2014-05-08 15:54:40 UTC
APIs prove nothing

If your CEO asks for one, tell him to GFH

That is , after you AWOX his **** in for it

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#11 - 2014-05-08 15:59:04 UTC
Whenever I join a corp that doesn't require full API keys they seem to lose lots of ships. There's few things as fun as warping to zero on an Orca and 5 hulks and going to town. Twisted

It's actually to your benefit that you join a corp that screens out people like me.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#12 - 2014-05-08 16:02:41 UTC
Show us on the Infiltration Alt doll where the corp refused to accept you...




Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2014-05-08 16:06:38 UTC
Victor Dathar wrote:
500m if your public killboard is clear of shooting Goons. Otherwise it will be negotiable based on previous corp history.



Hmm, i wonder what kind of deposit I would need

I might be on a few goon Killmails
Tar'z
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-05-08 16:10:53 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Well because people are encouraged to play the villain, a lot of people do. So because corps instantly allow you to start ganking your corpmates, don't allow you to boot someone while they are in space, and offer some of the most primitive methods of setting up corp security, it's easier to just put in large limitations on who you recruit, leading off with making sure they are willing to give up all information about themselves.

Corporation stuff is in dire need of some love. Pretty much the way it works at the moment, it's great for encouraging villains, but it actively discourages teamwork for that very reason.

This.

The API key thing is just one of many annoyances causes by the inability to properly secure your corp. The result is the anti-social nature we see in high-sec today, where soloists run around in 1 man corps because they fear being AWOX'd in anything larger.

I think AWOX in theory is a great thing, but in practice it has far too many negative effects. Of course if you convince your CEO to give you access to BPOs I would always support such thefts. It's the mindless ability to kill corp mates or the unintuitive interfaces in dealing with in-corp hostilities that really needs a fix.

Whoops off-topic.
CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#15 - 2014-05-08 16:13:09 UTC
Debyl Vuld wrote:

every single corp you want to join now needs a full API key from you - ie: a backdoor into your account


This is where you are not understanding things. There's no such thing as a backdoor into your account, there is absolutely nothing anyone can do with an API key that would cause any harm to your account. It merely provides in-game information. People want this info to prevent spies, awoxers, etc. They're not just asking because they're curious or nosy, they're protecting their membership. Don't like it? Don't join. It's that simple.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-05-08 16:14:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Cebraio
So what are you trying to hide, OP? I am a strong supporter of privacy in RL, but in EVE there is really no reason to not hand your API to a corp you want to join. Corps have to protect themselves from all kinds of infiltration and APIs are an easy way to do a background check. (Of course, they still doesn't prove anything if you separate your accounts thoroughly.)

Also: http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20120625
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#17 - 2014-05-08 16:15:35 UTC
CompleteFailure wrote:
It merely provides in-game information. People want this info to prevent spies, awoxers, etc. They're not just asking because they're curious or nosy, they're protecting their membership.


Want in on a secret?

It doesn't work.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#18 - 2014-05-08 16:18:42 UTC
Debyl Vuld wrote:
So I've been gone a while, and in my recent return to eve I've discovered that if you are looking for a corp, every single corp you want to join now needs a full API key from you - ie: a backdoor into your account, all your mails, your finances, your implants and everything about you contained within.

When did it become normal to volunteer that kind of information to some neckbeard in the videogame?

Let me stop you right there.
Since when did it become customary to let in an ignorant noob into a decent corporation?

Debyl Vuld wrote:
When you refuse to give it on principle people treat you like you have two heads, like you're hiding something. It seems people cannot comprehend that you don't want to volunteer a backdoor into your account to people you don't know any more than those people want to let you in without knowing a little more about you.

Even when I offer a kills-only API to show I don't kill corp mates, I'm still told to gtfo like I were some pariah. I find it really frustrating that this is now the norm and there doesn't seem to be much way around it. Even with references, 90 mil sp, FC ability, 9 mil sp in leadership etc. even small corps with 10 guys have told me to get lost because I would not give more than a kills-only API.

I wonder if CCP foresaw this when they expanded the API function a few years ago. That it is now the norm to bare all to strangers just to join their space-guild.


I like it how you actually try to blame CCP for this too. Maybe you should build your own corp instead, and ask for kill only APIs, see how far that gets you.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Debyl Vuld
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-05-08 16:19:44 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
So what are you trying to hide, OP?


I want to hide my trading methods, my shiptoasting alts, my private eve-mails to my friends in-game and my assets. And there's nothing wrong with that.
Marsha Mallow
#20 - 2014-05-08 16:20:33 UTC
Debyl Vuld wrote:
So I've been gone a while

If you have multiple characters just send in the cleanest :P Corps often forget to ask for APIs on alts you bring in later, once you've proved you can be trusted Blink

Wallet transactions typically don't exist on characters which have been unsubbed for longer than 3 months (I'm not exactly sure on the timing). The simplest way to check your characters and what can be viewed is to generate full API keys yourself then use 3rd party tools to background check yourself.

In reality, most people who query full APIs genuinely do see it as an invasion of privacy. You can make a case to sympathetic recruiters to keep things like assets, mail and contact lists private, some corps do allow partial APIs. They're generally looking at other things - actually the majority of background checking is done via killboards, eve-who and forum searching anyway so the raw data (unless the character already looks dodgy) isn't all that useful.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
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