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PotatoOverdose

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#141 - 2014-05-08 23:25:23 UTC

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Put more simply: CCP put something in the game, knowingly in a much stronger state than what they intend for the game.
Do you see why this causes problems?

Nope. The Chameleon, Utu, Merocha, Chremoas , and Adrastia are all much stronger than the ships intended for their respective roles. They are however limited in quantity, so as not to affect the overall balance of the game.

The gecko is a much stronger drone then intended for it's role (allegedly). It is however limited in time, so as not to affect the overall balance of the game.

To be totally honest, I prefer the latter to the former since the limited access item is available to everyone, but that's just my opinion.

Hasikan Miallok

Republic University

Minmatar Republic

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#142 - 2014-05-08 23:25:48 UTC | Edited by: Hasikan Miallok

lol, semantics .... almost as bad as D&D and 40K rules lawyers.

I can recall a 1000 post threadnaught in the old 3.5 D&D forums about whether "you can only summon an animal into an environment that supports it" meant giant eagles had to be summoned onto a perch rather than in mid air.

Anyway .. ignoring stupid arguments about wording some facts are obvious:

IF and ONLY IF you have interfacing trained to V ...
1. The Gecko will do 25% less damage after the patch.
2. The total damage from one Gecko in the new Rattlesnake will be huge but the overall damage from that one Gecko compared to two Geckos in the current Rattler will end up about 6% less.

The source of the DPS drop is irrelevant when making a fit.

and ...
3. In the end with all the other changes including new low slot drone mods it probably doesn't matter much

Also bare in mind many people have totally ignored Heavy Drone skills as they were useless for most scenarios so taking Heavy Drones up to V will restore some of the "lost" DPS for people with the skill at lower levels.

CCP could of course given us a slightly nerfed version and then buffed it along with everything else in Khronos to avoid all the who-har but that seems rather silly.

James Amril-Kesh

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#143 - 2014-05-08 23:31:07 UTC | Edited by: James Amril-Kesh

PotatoOverdose wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Put more simply: CCP put something in the game, knowingly in a much stronger state than what they intend for the game.
Do you see why this causes problems?

These ships are exactly as strong as they're intended to be.

PotatoOverdose wrote:

The gecko is a much stronger drone then intended for it's role (allegedly). It is however limited in time, so as not to affect the overall balance of the game.

Except a month of overpowered drones that everyone gets has a much more profound effect on game balance than some AT prize ships that mostly won't even see combat at all outside of the AT.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)


PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys Sedition. Likes received: 2,776	#144 - 2014-05-08 23:36:05 UTC James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: The gecko is a much stronger drone then intended for it's role (allegedly). It is however limited in time, so as not to affect the overall balance of the game. Except a month of overpowered drones that everyone gets has a much more profound effect on game balance... [Citation Needed]

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Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Likes received: 577	#145 - 2014-05-08 23:40:05 UTC 2 Hasikan Miallok wrote: lol, semantics .... almost as bad as D&D and 40K rules lawyers. "But it only says in Forgeworld's books that Forgeworld Rules are Official Games Workshop rules for 40k, not in the core 40k rulebook, therefor it does not count!"

Josef Djugashvilis

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#146 - 2014-05-09 02:59:12 UTC

Doc Fury wrote:

PotatoOverdose wrote:

I really don't get this thread.

Two weeks ago no one even heard of the gecko. Now we all have free geckos, and people complain that the free stuff we got won't be as wtfbbqpwn in 1 month.

Y'all are wierd.

Happens around here all the time.

People bitching about finding $10 in the street because it wasn't $20.

I thought the complaining was because folk found $20 in the street only to be told that very shortly said $20 would in fact be worth $10.

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Lugia3

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#147 - 2014-05-09 03:11:40 UTC

Tar'z wrote:

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Arthur Aihaken wrote:

CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.

Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec.

I'm making 200mil/hr in highsec right now. I'm making that amount of ISK while typing this message on the forums. I could go take a poop right now, come back, and I'd still be making progress towards that 200mil/hr.

High-sec income is completely over the top due to the ability to multibox accounts in this game.
You cannot multibox in non-highsec with the same safety and therefore efficiency.

I understand the high-sec income nerfs are bothersome for players with solo accounts, but consider what happens if they don't nerf it. People like me continue to make 200mil/hr for almost no effort. If you have one account, get the hell out of high-sec is my suggestion.

Now, back on topic..... the current gecko is completely OP. Perhaps with this change the gecko will actually be balanced now. Remember it still has it's absurd EHP, ridiculous speed/tracking for a heavy drone, and all the other goodies.

200 mill across how many accounts? An orca and 6 mackinaws?

Sorry dude, for 7 accounts 200 mill an hour is ****.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik

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stoicfaux Likes received: 6,283	#148 - 2014-05-09 03:47:32 UTC 1 Right, so my Gecko's DPS is getting nerfed come Kronos. Glad we cleared that up. Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Flex Carter

Caldari Independant Mining Association

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#149 - 2014-05-09 03:56:35 UTC

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Doc Fury wrote:

PotatoOverdose wrote:

Happens around here all the time.

People bitching about finding $10 in the street because it wasn't $20.

I thought the complaining was because folk found $20 in the street only to be told that very shortly said $20 would in fact be worth $10.

Pretty much this... Everyone started making big plans with their free 20 bucks but soon discovered the next day we were being slipped a Ten-spot instead. A little ungrateful I agree but damn it, I had some big plans for my 20 bucks.... Lol

Doc Fury

Furious Enterprises

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#150 - 2014-05-09 04:07:59 UTC

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Flex Carter wrote:

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Doc Fury wrote:

PotatoOverdose wrote:

Happens around here all the time.

People bitching about finding $10 in the street because it wasn't $20.

I thought the complaining was because folk found $20 in the street only to be told that very shortly said $20 would in fact be worth $10.

I have no words for either of you.

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There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

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Barton Breau University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 105	#151 - 2014-05-09 04:30:00 UTC 1 So many MBAs thinking bait and switch is a good tactic in this thread, its not pretty.

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Dave Stark Likes received: 7,950	#152 - 2014-05-09 06:09:56 UTC 1 James Amril-Kesh wrote: Put more simply: CCP put something in the game, knowingly in a much stronger state than what they intend for the game. Do you see why this causes problems? yes, you get dumb people crying nerf where there is none.

Dave Stark

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#153 - 2014-05-09 06:18:56 UTC

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Doc Fury wrote:

PotatoOverdose wrote:

Happens around here all the time.

People bitching about finding $10 in the street because it wasn't $20.

I thought the complaining was because folk found $20 in the street only to be told that very shortly said $20 would in fact be worth $10.

actually, they're complaining that they found £20 in the street, and then the price of their favourite thing went up. except they seem to think it's an issue with their find, rather than an issue with the pricing.

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JC Anderson RED ROSE THORN Likes received: 1,234	#154 - 2014-05-09 06:26:51 UTC \| Edited by: JC Anderson This reminds me of the dramiel for some reason... I mean right after it was buffed and then up to its eventual nerf not long after. ;) Only difference is it wasnt limited the way geckos are.


James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#155 - 2014-05-09 06:34:27 UTC 1 Dave Stark wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Put more simply: CCP put something in the game, knowingly in a much stronger state than what they intend for the game. Do you see why this causes problems? yes, you get dumb people crying nerf where there is none. Still waiting on the source of that definition. Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Josef Djugashvilis

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#156 - 2014-05-09 06:35:43 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Doc Fury wrote:

PotatoOverdose wrote:

Happens around here all the time.

People bitching about finding $10 in the street because it wasn't $20.

I thought the complaining was because folk found $20 in the street only to be told that very shortly said $20 would in fact be worth $10.

Don't blame me for inflation. Smile

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Dave Stark

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#157 - 2014-05-09 06:53:17 UTC

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Put more simply: CCP put something in the game, knowingly in a much stronger state than what they intend for the game.
Do you see why this causes problems?

yes, you get dumb people crying nerf where there is none.

Still waiting on the source of that definition.

keep waiting, i have no interest in really having a discussion with you.

Josef Djugashvilis

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#158 - 2014-05-09 07:06:43 UTC

Dave Stark wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Put more simply: CCP put something in the game, knowingly in a much stronger state than what they intend for the game.
Do you see why this causes problems?

yes, you get dumb people crying nerf where there is none.

Still waiting on the source of that definition.

keep waiting, i have no interest in really having a discussion with you.

Did not like his definition, so in effect you accused him of making one up to suit his argument, so you made one up to suit your own instead.

+1 to James then.

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Dave Stark

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#159 - 2014-05-09 07:11:10 UTC | Edited by: Dave Stark

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Dave Stark wrote:

James Amril-Kesh wrote:

Put more simply: CCP put something in the game, knowingly in a much stronger state than what they intend for the game.
Do you see why this causes problems?

yes, you get dumb people crying nerf where there is none.

Still waiting on the source of that definition.

keep waiting, i have no interest in really having a discussion with you.

Did not like his definition, so in effect you accused him of making one up to suit his argument, so you made one up to suit your own instead.

+1 to James then.

actually, he changed his very definition just to have an argument with me, go back a few pages and see his comment about the tengu and heavy missiles.

the very simple fact is that nerf or buff relates to a change; the gecko isn't being changed. can't buff or nerf something that isn't being changed.


James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#160 - 2014-05-09 07:39:35 UTC Dave Stark wrote: actually, he changed his very definition Yeah, that can happen when there's no official definition to work from, which is something you kind of need for your argument to hold any water. Enjoying the rain today? ;)

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