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25% dps drop for Gecko in Kronos

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2014-05-08 20:06:38 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
if you want to change the definition of nerf, feel free.
however that also doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't getting nerfed.
So a nerf or buff is not related to performance changes? Even when those changes are limited to a single item or item type? Seems dishonest to completely decouple the 2 concepts.
Pubbie Spy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-05-08 20:06:53 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.


Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec.
I have switched to a gun boat for my PvE since drones' effective DPS is a shadow of what it was a year ago.
And the faction damage mods on the way won't even begin to address the ridiculous nerfs drones have endured, let alone all the ones lined up in 4 weeks.


Don't worry Dinsdale, we're not ruining the game, we're just ruining your game.

Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
except no drones are being nerfed. all drones are being buffed, the gecko is being untouched. you have red the devblog, right?

1. See revised title.
2. Gecko dps will drop 6.3-25% on June 3.


Abloobloobloo my poor 1337 super drone~
Dave Stark
#63 - 2014-05-08 20:07:10 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
if you want to change the definition of nerf, feel free.
however that also doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't getting nerfed.
So a nerf or buff is not related to performance changes? Even when those changes are limited to a single item or item type? Seems dishonest to completely decouple the 2 concepts.


remind me what changes are being done to the gecko?
oh right, none.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2014-05-08 20:09:44 UTC
That's a pretty disingenuous thing to say.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#65 - 2014-05-08 20:10:08 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
remind me what changes are being done to the gecko?

It's losing 50% of the drone interface bonus June 3.
But you're right, I must be imagining that it could possible have an effect...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Dave Stark
#66 - 2014-05-08 20:11:38 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
remind me what changes are being done to the gecko?

It's losing 50% of the drone interface bonus June 3.
But you're right, I must be imagining that it could possible have an effect...

i see exactly 0 changes to the gecko in your post.
hence we must conclude it's not being nerfed, you know based on the fact that it isn't being changed.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#67 - 2014-05-08 20:12:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
So a nerf or buff is not related to performance changes?
Only relative to the item's previous stats, and those stats are pretty much universally going up, except in the case of the Gecko, where they stay the same since they arrive pre-buffed and nothing changes.

So: no change — no nerf.

Arthur Aihaken wrote:
It's losing 50% of the drone interface bonus June 3.
No. It retains the full bonus from drone interfacing. Drone interfacing is getting nerfed, but drone interfacing is something vastly different from the Gecko drone. The Gecko drone is not being changed in any way, which rather rules out any kind of nerf.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2014-05-08 20:13:26 UTC
You're not stupid enough to think you're talking about the whole picture here.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#69 - 2014-05-08 20:13:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Dave Stark wrote:
i see exactly 0 changes to the gecko in your post.
hence we must conclude it's not being nerfed, you know based on the fact that it isn't being changed.

We can conclude that you have nothing insightful to offer.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Dave Stark
#70 - 2014-05-08 20:14:40 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You're not stupid enough to think you're talking about the whole picture here.

no, i'm talking specifically about the gecko drone.
i thought that was obvious. you know, since we were talking about the gecko drone.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-05-08 20:15:09 UTC
Semantics and rear end tourism :)
Dave Stark
#72 - 2014-05-08 20:15:29 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i see exactly 0 changes to the gecko in your post.
hence we must conclude it's not being nerfed, you know based on the fact that it isn't being changed.

We can conclude that you have nothing insightful to offer.

i'm not offering insight, i'm correcting the incorrect statement "the gecko is getting nerfed".
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2014-05-08 20:16:24 UTC
Both of you are making equivocations that aren't compelling or helpful.
The Gecko is losing 25% of its current DPS. This is the part that matters, regardless of what change was made and where that caused it to happen.
You can debate the merits of that change and whether the drone should lose that DPS. That's what some are trying to do here. Don't derail the topic by being uselessly pedantic.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#74 - 2014-05-08 20:16:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
No. It retains the full bonus from drone interfacing. Drone interfacing is getting nerfed, but drone interfacing is something vastly different from the Gecko drone. The Gecko drone is not being changed in any way, which rather rules out any kind of nerf.

You're arguing semantics. The Gecko still gets 100% of the drone interfacing bonus. Unfortunately, it's being reduced 50%, which cuts the total damage output of the Gecko from current levels by 25%.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#75 - 2014-05-08 20:16:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i see exactly 0 changes to the gecko in your post.
hence we must conclude it's not being nerfed, you know based on the fact that it isn't being changed.

We can conclude that you have nothing insightful to offer.

Just because reality does not agree with your misunderstanding does not mean that explaining that reality is not insightful. Quite the opposite in fact.

Quote:
You're arguing semantics.
No. I'm arguing that you got your facts wrong. The Gecko is not getting nerfed — it can't, since it is not being changed in any way whatsoever.
Dave Stark
#76 - 2014-05-08 20:17:17 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Tippia wrote:
No. It retains the full bonus from drone interfacing. Drone interfacing is getting nerfed, but drone interfacing is something vastly different from the Gecko drone. The Gecko drone is not being changed in any way, which rather rules out any kind of nerf.

You're arguing semantics. The Gecko still gets 100% of the drone interfacing bonus. Unfortunately, it's being reduced 50%, which cuts the total damage output of the Gecko from current levels by 25%.

nobody has denied that.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#77 - 2014-05-08 20:17:26 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:

We can conclude that you have nothing insightful to offer.


Funny I was thinking the same about this thread

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#78 - 2014-05-08 20:19:54 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
i see exactly 0 changes to the gecko in your post.
hence we must conclude it's not being nerfed, you know based on the fact that it isn't being changed.

We can conclude that you have nothing insightful to offer.

he is just trying to do 'Tippia'....

and he does well: saying nothing on subject and still looking right
good job

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Dave Stark
#79 - 2014-05-08 20:20:29 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
good job
thanks.
Josef Djugashvilis
#80 - 2014-05-08 20:21:16 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Well, pessimists will be pessimistic.

What's that other saying? "Give a moth a cookie, and it will want a glass of milk."


Tried this and the moth said, 'have you got a light boy'?

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