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25% dps drop for Gecko in Kronos

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#181 - 2014-05-09 20:22:53 UTC
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2014-05-09 20:26:25 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.

you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts.

Yes, the Gecko is being nerfed. It doesn't exist in a vacuum isolated from the drone interfacing skill. Thus a drone interfacing nerf is a Gecko nerf.

Val'Dore wrote:
To neckbeard or not to neckbeard, that is the question
When you're more entertained than the people crying neckbeard, does it really matter?
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#183 - 2014-05-09 20:33:02 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% - you can expect to see Gecko damage drop from current levels by 25% (6.3% on drone bonused hulls such as the new Rattlesnake).



I don't see how it's even actually possible to nerf something that is about to be buffed.
They aren't changing the stats, unless it's to maintain their current capabilities, in which case, it isn't actually a nerf.

So, HTFU.

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Dave Stark
#184 - 2014-05-09 20:33:58 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.

you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts.

Yes, the Gecko is being nerfed. It doesn't exist in a vacuum isolated from the drone interfacing skill. Thus a drone interfacing nerf is a Gecko nerf.


of course it doesn't exist in isolation.
except, that doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't being nerfed.

the drone interfacing nerf, is a drone interfacing nerf.
Josef Djugashvilis
#185 - 2014-05-09 20:35:15 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.

you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts.

Yes, the Gecko is being nerfed. It doesn't exist in a vacuum isolated from the drone interfacing skill. Thus a drone interfacing nerf is a Gecko nerf.


of course it doesn't exist in isolation.
except, that doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't being nerfed.

the drone interfacing nerf, is a drone interfacing nerf.


Which will affect gecko drones relative to how they perform pre- Kronos.

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Dave Stark
#186 - 2014-05-09 20:36:43 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.

you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts.

Yes, the Gecko is being nerfed. It doesn't exist in a vacuum isolated from the drone interfacing skill. Thus a drone interfacing nerf is a Gecko nerf.


of course it doesn't exist in isolation.
except, that doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't being nerfed.

the drone interfacing nerf, is a drone interfacing nerf.


Which will affect gecko drones relative to how they perform pre- Kronos.

yes, obviously, as drone interfacing affects geckos.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2014-05-09 20:37:49 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
no, it's a nerf to the drone interfacing skill. all drones are being buffed, except the gecko which is remaining unchanged.

you know the DI skill is being nerfed, you know the gecko isn't. you're aware of the facts.

Yes, the Gecko is being nerfed. It doesn't exist in a vacuum isolated from the drone interfacing skill. Thus a drone interfacing nerf is a Gecko nerf.


of course it doesn't exist in isolation.
except, that doesn't change the fact that the gecko isn't being nerfed.

the drone interfacing nerf, is a drone interfacing nerf.

Which is a drone nerf. Nerfing a skill nerfs the items affected by that skill. The exception would be if the base stats are changing to compensate, but as you state, that isn't happening, thus the nerf.

Jarod Garamonde wrote:
I don't see how it's even actually possible to nerf something that is about to be buffed.
They aren't changing the stats, unless it's to maintain their current capabilities, in which case, it isn't actually a nerf.

So, HTFU.
It's not retaining it's current capabilities, specifically damage output under skills. That is what started the thread.
Dave Stark
#188 - 2014-05-09 20:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Which is a drone nerf. Nerfing a skill nerfs the items affected by that skill. The exception would be if the base stats are changing to compensate, but as you state, that isn't happening, thus the nerf.

drones aren't being nerfed, they're being buffed (except the gecko).
drone interfacing is being nerfed.
if you're still confused at this point, i suggest you read the devblog.
Dave Stark
#189 - 2014-05-09 20:42:19 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
It's not retaining it's current capabilities

except it is, since it's not being changed.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2014-05-09 20:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Which is a drone nerf. Nerfing a skill nerfs the items affected by that skill. The exception would be if the base stats are changing to compensate, but as you state, that isn't happening, thus the nerf.

drones aren't being nerfed, they're being buffed (except the gecko).
drone interfacing is being nerfed.
if you're still confused at this point, i suggest you read the devblog.

I'm aware of the devblog. Doesn't change that the gecko is being nerfed by was of the changes to drone interfacing. I've demonstrated I'm aware of the blog and this thread.
Dave Stark wrote:
except it is, since it's not being changed.
Feel free to demonstrate how damage with skills, specifically drone interfacing, is not being changed.
Josef Djugashvilis
#191 - 2014-05-09 20:43:15 UTC
When is a nerf not a nerf?

When it's a gecko :)

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#192 - 2014-05-09 20:43:29 UTC
Well, nobody complained about the Gecko, in and of itself.
Thus marking the first time in EVE Online history when the entire playerbase was perfectly satisfied with the free stuff CCP gave us for little to no reason at all.

There's a bright side to all of this, however... at least we're not playing some dumb kung fu panda MMO...

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#193 - 2014-05-09 20:45:13 UTC
I can't believe this hit 10 pages...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Dave Stark
#194 - 2014-05-09 20:45:39 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Which is a drone nerf. Nerfing a skill nerfs the items affected by that skill. The exception would be if the base stats are changing to compensate, but as you state, that isn't happening, thus the nerf.

drones aren't being nerfed, they're being buffed (except the gecko).
drone interfacing is being nerfed.
if you're still confused at this point, i suggest you read the devblog.

I'm aware of the devblog. Doesn't change that the gecko is being nerfed by was of the changes to drone interfacing. I've demonstrated I'm aware of the blog and this thread.
Dave Stark wrote:
except it is, since it's not being changed.
Feel free to demonstrate how damage with skills, specifically drone interfacing, is not being changed.


the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed.
seems you don't understand that simple concept.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#195 - 2014-05-09 20:46:28 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
I can't believe this hit 10 pages...


I can't believe this thread is even a thing.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2014-05-09 20:48:04 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed.
seems you don't understand that simple concept.
The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#197 - 2014-05-09 20:49:44 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
kung fu panda MMO...


I wish there was an actual KFP MMO, rather than the one you mean.

http://bit.ly/1uKLBqX

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Dave Stark
#198 - 2014-05-09 20:50:23 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed.
seems you don't understand that simple concept.
The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill.


except that's the drone interfacing skill being nerfed, not the gecko.
look, we've been through this. instead of posting more crap just go through the posts in this thread to realise whatever you're about to post has been addressed already.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#199 - 2014-05-09 20:51:44 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed.
seems you don't understand that simple concept.
The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill.


So if the Gecko had been introduced as-is after the skill change, you'd be perfectly happy with it?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#200 - 2014-05-09 20:54:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Malcanis wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
the gecko isn't being nerfed, it's not being changed.
seems you don't understand that simple concept.
The Gecko doesn't exist in isolation, and thus doesn't need to be changed directly to be nerfed. It can be nerfed by any number of external but interacting factors. Factors like the Drone interfacing skill.


So if the Gecko had been introduced as-is after the skill change, you'd be perfectly happy with it?

I'm not unhappy with it as is or as will be after the drone interfacing change. My participation has nothing to do with dissatisfaction with what will hit like a pair of ogre II's while being faster and tracking better.

Edit: To be clear, my position is that a negative change is happening to the gecko through a factor external to it, which qualifies as a nerf to it, which is a fact that is in no way related to my opinion as to whether it will be still desirable afterwards.