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25% dps drop for Gecko in Kronos

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1 - 2014-05-08 05:23:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% - you can expect to see Gecko damage drop from current levels by 25% (6.3% on drone bonused hulls such as the new Rattlesnake).

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#2 - 2014-05-08 05:33:45 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.


Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec.
I have switched to a gun boat for my PvE since drones' effective DPS is a shadow of what it was a year ago.
And the faction damage mods on the way won't even begin to address the ridiculous nerfs drones have endured, let alone all the ones lined up in 4 weeks.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#3 - 2014-05-08 05:39:46 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec.
I have switched to a gun boat for my PvE since drones' effective DPS is a shadow of what it was a year ago.
And the faction damage mods on the way won't even begin to address the ridiculous nerfs drones have endured, let alone all the ones lined up in 4 weeks.

With the new Rattlesnake I'll need to run 3x Faction DDA's just to offset the damage nerf to the Gecko. I don't even know what the point of unlocking more of these is...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#4 - 2014-05-08 05:41:03 UTC
Give them a nuke, and they will complain when the fallout is reduced so as not to kill everyone....
Merida DunBrogh
Black Screen Of Raging Defeat
#5 - 2014-05-08 05:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Merida DunBrogh
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.


I am pretty sure that is not what they said, mostly.

Drone Interface is being reduced from 20% per level to 10% per level, that is correct. However that 50% difference is being applied on the drones themselves so that new players have higher damage drones and older players stay the same.

Edit: Thinking about it slightly longer would indicate you are correct(If Fozzie doesn't change his mind) if his stats are not buffed like other drones for Kronos.
Dominus Tempus
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2014-05-08 05:47:34 UTC
Already figured as much.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#7 - 2014-05-08 05:53:01 UTC
Merida DunBrogh wrote:
I am pretty sure that is not what they said, mostly.

You're correct - it's only a 6.3% nerf with the new Rattlesnake. It's a 25% nerf to any other hull.
Feel free to let me know if I made a mistake anywhere on the math...

Gecko (pre-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 2.0x drone interface, 0.25x heavy drone (2.5x total)
• (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 2.5 (skills) * 1.778 (4 T2 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 583.2 dps

Gecko (post-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 1.5x drone interface, 0.25x heavy drone (1.875 total)
* (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 1.875 (skills) * 1.778 (4 T2 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 437.4 daps

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ren Coursa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-05-08 05:56:43 UTC
Merida DunBrogh wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.


I am pretty sure that is not what they said, mostly.

Drone Interface is being reduced from 20% per level to 10% per level, that is correct. However that 50% difference is being applied on the drones themselves so that new players have higher damage drones and older players stay the same.



And what fozzie apparently has said is that this difference has already been applied to the gecko so come June the only thing that is going to change about the gecko is the skill-nerf.

I haven't read anything about this myself but that's what i gather from op's post.
Dominus Tempus
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2014-05-08 05:57:44 UTC
Ren Coursa wrote:
Merida DunBrogh wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.


I am pretty sure that is not what they said, mostly.

Drone Interface is being reduced from 20% per level to 10% per level, that is correct. However that 50% difference is being applied on the drones themselves so that new players have higher damage drones and older players stay the same.



And what fozzie apparently has said is that this difference has already been applied to the gecko so come June the only thing that is going to change about the gecko is the skill-nerf.

I haven't read anything about this myself but that's what i gather from op's post.

No, the difference has already been applied, which means the Gecko will be more powerful than normal until the third.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#10 - 2014-05-08 05:59:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Ren Coursa wrote:
And what fozzie apparently has said is that this difference has already been applied to the gecko so come June the only thing that is going to change about the gecko is the skill-nerf. I haven't read anything about this myself but that's what i gather from op's post.

Yes, a 25% damage nerf with Kronos (just for the Gecko). Dutch tulips anyone?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Merida DunBrogh
Black Screen Of Raging Defeat
#11 - 2014-05-08 06:06:26 UTC
Ren Coursa wrote:
And what fozzie apparently has said is that this difference has already been applied to the gecko so come June the only thing that is going to change about the gecko is the skill-nerf.

I haven't read anything about this myself but that's what i gather from op's post.


Yeah, I already Edited my post. After just waking up posting is a bad thing Lol

But even then, the Gecko are still worth it. all/most of their stats are better than heavies, and will stay that way. They will just be slightly closer to eachother.

I wonder how the rattlesnake will be with 1 gecko VS 2 heavies/sentries in terms of paper DPS and applied DPS, and how quickly you would lose those drones.
Dave Stark
#12 - 2014-05-08 06:08:43 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Merida DunBrogh wrote:
I am pretty sure that is not what they said, mostly.

You're correct - it's only a 6.3% nerf with the new Rattlesnake. It's a 25% nerf to any other hull.
Feel free to let me know if I made a mistake anywhere on the math...

Gecko (pre-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 2.0x drone interface, 0.25x heavy drone (2.5x total)
• (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 2.5 (skills) * 1.778 (4 T2 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 583.2 dps

Gecko (post-Kronos)
• 128 damage, 2.05x amplifier, 1.5x drone interface, 0.25x heavy drone (1.875 total)
* (2) * 2.05 * 128 * 1.875 (skills) * 1.778 (4 T2 DDAs) / 4s ROF = 437.4 daps


for the sake of completeness, what is the damage of an ogre II pre and post kronos?
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#13 - 2014-05-08 06:09:52 UTC
meh my ratting ishtar that can tank any gurista anomoly won't be showing 1150 dps in the fitting window come patch day.

Daresay those misguided souls that use pathetic secondary weapon systems like missiles and guns as primary weapon systems would soon be clamouring for a nerf to 1150 dps cruisers if that wasn't going to happen automatically.

Omni damage of course has its disadvantages as do heavy drones but geckos are horribly compelling at the moment and shine in pve battleship heavy content. Against any race, in any region, from several ships including stratios, drone proteus and myrmidon, as well as the usual suspects.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#14 - 2014-05-08 06:10:04 UTC
Merida DunBrogh wrote:
I wonder how the rattlesnake will be with 1 gecko VS 2 heavies/sentries in terms of paper DPS and applied DPS, and how quickly you would lose those drones.

After Kronos, 2 heavies will actually provide more DPS and applied damage than a single Gecko since you can tailor it to specific resistances.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Cultural Enrichment
Jenkem Puffing Association
#15 - 2014-05-08 07:09:27 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Merida DunBrogh wrote:
I wonder how the rattlesnake will be with 1 gecko VS 2 heavies/sentries in terms of paper DPS and applied DPS, and how quickly you would lose those drones.

After Kronos, 2 heavies will actually provide more DPS and applied damage than a single Gecko since you can tailor it to specific resistances.

2 Ogres will still have less speed, less tracking and probably less EHP
2 valkyries will still have less damage.
The future of the Gecko is looking fine, instead of being the absolute god of drones.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#16 - 2014-05-08 07:28:58 UTC
I would rather have them overpowered because people will see them more often and potentially they will be lost more often. Risk vs reward.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-05-08 07:38:50 UTC
Give people free super drones for a month and they complain.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#18 - 2014-05-08 08:01:14 UTC
Well, pessimists will be pessimistic.

What's that other saying? "Give a moth a cookie, and it will want a glass of milk."

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Tar'z
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-05-08 08:55:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Tar'z
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.


Drones keep getting killed, bit by bit, just like high sec.

I'm making 200mil/hr in highsec right now. I'm making that amount of ISK while typing this message on the forums. I could go take a poop right now, come back, and I'd still be making progress towards that 200mil/hr.

High-sec income is completely over the top due to the ability to multibox accounts in this game.
You cannot multibox in non-highsec with the same safety and therefore efficiency.

I understand the high-sec income nerfs are bothersome for players with solo accounts, but consider what happens if they don't nerf it. People like me continue to make 200mil/hr for almost no effort. If you have one account, get the hell out of high-sec is my suggestion.

Now, back on topic..... the current gecko is completely OP. Perhaps with this change the gecko will actually be balanced now. Remember it still has it's absurd EHP, ridiculous speed/tracking for a heavy drone, and all the other goodies.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#20 - 2014-05-08 09:03:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie has indicated that the new Gecko already has the Kronos stats. So come June 3, when the drone interfacing skill is cut from 100% to 50% you can expect to see Gecko damage nerfed by approximately 6.3%.


I'm pretty sure I heard Fozzie say that the drone damage was being changed to compensate for the 100% to 50% drop. The change in the skill affect is to limit the apparent requirement to train to level V and not to nerf the damage output of drones.

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