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Are Ishtars the future?
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Justin Cody
War Firm
#61 - 2014-05-28 09:11:35 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
AHAC rebalance? They gonna rebalance AHACs again?

one can dream.... they really missed the mark on the first pass, theyre super under powered.



No they aren't going to do ANOTHER rebalance. They haven't finished going through all of the sub caps, caps or supers yet. And they are not under powered by any metric. Hell before the changes everyone flew BC's and now its mainly ishtars and deimos everywhere. Sov fleets are seen with eagles as well and the cerberus is fitting in nicely. People roam in vagas and muninns are somewhat on the short end of the stick but useful in niche situations with good pilots.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#62 - 2014-05-28 12:22:11 UTC
Justin Cody wrote:
Drone ships are OP. You can't effectively ewar them and they scale in a non-linear fashion in terms of threat negation. The drone ships regardless of type don't have to worry about angular velocity or really anything involving radian based math. Missile ships have similar advantages but can still be ewar'd to death. So yeah this year is the Year of Drone Supremacy. Turrets and missiles pale in comparison. The reason being that well...drones. Sentries still have superior damage application at ranges turrets can't match and they are only getting buffed with tracking enhancer low slot modules.

*I don't even*.

Transitioning from a secondary to a primary weapons system is definitely fraught with design related growing pains.


So Ishtars are the future Big smile

Blue-Fire Best Fire
Justin Cody
War Firm
#63 - 2014-05-28 13:26:41 UTC
They are the present and future
Walextheone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2014-05-28 13:46:48 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Justin Cody wrote:
Drone ships are OP. You can't effectively ewar them and they scale in a non-linear fashion in terms of threat negation. The drone ships regardless of type don't have to worry about angular velocity or really anything involving radian based math. Missile ships have similar advantages but can still be ewar'd to death. So yeah this year is the Year of Drone Supremacy. Turrets and missiles pale in comparison. The reason being that well...drones. Sentries still have superior damage application at ranges turrets can't match and they are only getting buffed with tracking enhancer low slot modules.

*I don't even*.

Transitioning from a secondary to a primary weapons system is definitely fraught with design related growing pains.


So Ishtars are the future Big smile



I don't get the future reference really. HACs and especially the Ishtar has been good since september last year.

Man I remember how we roamed around in podla Drakes with reckon support years ago. Than the ABC era with the manly glass cannons :-D

Now its easy mode. Attacking all over the battlefield and good anti tackle defence with neuts.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#65 - 2014-05-28 14:26:02 UTC
Walextheone wrote:
HACs and especially the Ishtar has been good since september last year.

Walextheone wrote:
Now its easy mode. Attacking all over the battlefield and good anti tackle defence with neuts.

Justin Cody wrote:
Drone ships are OP.

Walextheone wrote:
I don't get the future reference really.


I think you do...

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Walextheone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-05-28 14:46:42 UTC
Hehehe well it's more your thread seems like 9 month late
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#67 - 2014-05-28 19:42:20 UTC
Ishtar usage history

So, yeah, it'd be really nice if the K:D ratio didn't blow out wildly September last year, hmmm?

It really is Ishtars online at the moment. it's one of the least engageable ships in the game right now especially with Geckos. Even before Geckos, but post-HAC rebalance.

The same is true of the Deimos as a solo boat. I wrote words words on my blog about it, but it's been pointed out I undercalled the maths on the Deimos by a fair margin. So be it, it's still the most OP solo boat andd is essentially unengageable in the solo arena unless you have some powerful neuts, or powerful links.

There's been some debate over in Ships and Modules started by Keith Planck, focused on the uselessness of ACs in the current meta, which is by and large a discussion about Minmatar ships. The maths do not lie - Minmatar are generaly slower, less agile, and do less DPS at any range than anything that is not a HML Drake. This holds for HACs, cruisers and (generally) frigates. Seriously, you need to fly a Breacher to make Minnie ships look OP.

In the case of the Ishtar, and based on my experience as the most prolific bait Nereus pilot in EVE this month, so i ought to know what I'm talking about, the ishtar (and now navy Vexor I've discovered) are the biggest threat from anything below a blaster Talos. My Nereus can permatank a Deimos, but I get vaped by a sentry ishtar which drops its drones at 5km.

That shows you what the problem is - drone tracking of sentries is just far, far too good. They can apply 100% of their 800-odd DPS from virtually zero out to ~90km completely independently of the trajectory, speed and orientation of the enemy. All you need to do is hold the enemy on field and eventually they will assplode.

hence, even if you know you can, eg, tank 2 Cynabals and 2 Vagas long enough (and you can in the Nereus) one Ishtar is a dealbreaker.

I'm looking forward to medium MJD's. Finally you can GTFO from Ishtars. Fozzie has allowed us to cowardsploit his balancing mistakes by adding coward modules to combat cowardboats. A brave teleport forward for the game meta.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#68 - 2014-05-28 20:05:27 UTC
Yup drones and missiles are broken. And until ccp does an overhaul on the mechanics around them they can't nerf the tracking without making them useless. So get it while its hot!

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Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#69 - 2014-05-29 09:09:17 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Ishtar usage history
That shows you what the problem is - drone tracking of sentries is just far, far too good. They can apply 100% of their 800-odd DPS from virtually zero out to ~90km completely independently of the trajectory, speed and orientation of the enemy. All you need to do is hold the enemy on field and eventually they will assplode.


It's not sentry drone tracking in and of itself that's the issue. It's the hull bonuses associated with the three most commonly used sentry boats that make them so powerful.