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Are Ishtars the future?
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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#1 - 2014-05-07 20:47:37 UTC
With the recently introduced Gecko giving us a taste of what heavy drones will do post Kronos are armor Ishtars armed with heavy drones the future meta of wh space?

Ishtar with 2 Gecko 2 hammerheads 1 hob unfit are sitting at 600dps. And that's with my mediocre drone skills!

3 rr armor ishtars sporting 2 flights of geckos and 1 flight of sentries can engage anything within 70kms with good effect. Within heavy range they will put out a blistering 2400 dps, at 50kms they can put down a respectable 12-1500 dps, and will be able to tank 1-2k dps. These things are monsters!

Oh you want to go roaming in null/low? Just shield fit it and its now a kity beast that puts out 800dps if heavies can keep up. Otherwise you got plenty of space for a flight of mediums/lights plus a flight of sentries.

If you don't have ishtars trained already... what are you doin with your life?


Please tell me I'm missing something here! Discuss

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Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2014-05-07 20:56:38 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:


what are you doin with your life?


I.....I dont know, Im an alcoholic, a workaholic and i am only happy when others are miserable. OH GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE WITH MY LIFE! WHY DO YOU HAVE TO ASK SUCH LOADED QUESTIONS! THIS IS JUST A GAME CryCryCry *runs away to cry*
Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-05-07 21:08:34 UTC
Bah, too bad most fights hug holes or smartbombs would be of great help against drone clouds.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#4 - 2014-05-07 21:11:01 UTC
Ishtars and geckos are going to be hilarious.

I'm right behind you
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#5 - 2014-05-07 21:19:26 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
.........

Oh you want to go roaming in null/low? Just shield fit it and its now a kity beast that puts out 800dps if heavies can keep up. Otherwise you got plenty of space for a flight of mediums/lights plus a flight of sentries.

Please tell me I'm missing something here! Discuss



If you go roaming lowsec with heavy drone ishtars you are going to have a very bad time.
RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#6 - 2014-05-07 21:40:20 UTC
Not like smartbombing armortengus are pretty much standard for a lot of wh corps/alliances .......
Geckos will die very fast in any kind of larger combat, that beeing said .... yes i like ishtars ;)
RudinV
Sons Of Mother's Friend
Can i bring my Drake...
#7 - 2014-05-07 21:53:18 UTC
You wanna know the future? Ask goons, forever trendy "have no idea why"
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#8 - 2014-05-07 21:58:19 UTC
Ahost Gceo wrote:
Bah, too bad most fights hug holes or smartbombs would be of great help against drone clouds.



Exactly, most fights hug holes. Which means your drones are safe from smartbombs. Ishtars give bonus to drone hit points so heavies have about 5k hp and Geckos have even more. Unless you got a dedicated smartbomb bs those drones can take a few smart bomb hits. If they have a dedicated sb bs you primary first. Say you lose a flight to smartbombs. You just drop another set... you can carry 3 flights!

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Dark Armata
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-05-07 22:18:56 UTC
Unless I am missing something about geckos being producable. Then their supply will be finite.

And if null uses them en masse like I am hearing rumours of, then they will become very rare quickly.

Enjoy them while you can, I think they should be fun for a while. Don't be surprised when the enemy switches to killing your drones tho. I know I will be enjoying them in my EOS. 5 with heavy drone speed and tracking bonus, will be great for a while.

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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#10 - 2014-05-07 22:26:00 UTC
Eos can only field 2 geckos...

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Ahost Gceo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-05-07 22:29:24 UTC
So what you're saying is the Ishtar should be nerfed. I concur.

CCP ignore me please, I make too much sense.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#12 - 2014-05-07 22:35:28 UTC
I'm saying these are gonna be beasts so fly them while it lasts Big smile

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Kermit Xram
Jointi's Drug Den
#13 - 2014-05-07 22:47:47 UTC
Has anyone done the math on how much DPS these are going to put out after the nerf to Drone Interfacing with Kronos? Since CPP has said that the Gecko has been adjusted to post-Kronos values already, unlike all other drones.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-05-07 23:26:57 UTC
If you're flying an Ishtar and not using sentries; what are you doing?
I don't expect that to change.

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Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#15 - 2014-05-08 01:10:57 UTC
Ishtars are the now, in case anyone has been reading what passes for nullsec blogs/whines and/or lived out there recently. You just have to have your tactics down pat, and they become a PITA.

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Meytal
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-05-08 05:19:56 UTC
If you get enough of these on you to matter, you're not going to get rid of them with smart bombs before you die. These things chew through you like there's no tomorrow. There are counters, but don't rely on smart bombs especially if used with a Rattle post-Expansion.
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#17 - 2014-05-08 06:31:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Adoris Nolen
i thought every1 knew an autocannon, heavy drone, shield tank isthar = 1k dps boat that also tanks 500 dps.

edit: your armor ishtars will get mowed down by shield ones. Incredibly fast at that.
Astradari
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-05-08 06:55:22 UTC
We love ishtars..a lot ^-^

However, something is not OP because your normal doctrine doesn't counter it :P you need to adapt to what you're facing. Geckos are pretty insane based on the brief look at them I've taken, but it's still a heavy drone. Just move fast and kite. Armor Ishtars aren't exactly fast.

There are counters to everything with some creative thinking, so don't cry nerf so quickly

I concur that the gecko is insane though, they've made a subcap fighter \o/
Freddie Merrcury
Fukushima Daiichi Electric Power Co.
#19 - 2014-05-08 07:22:22 UTC
God I ******* hope not

I hate those things. Unfun to fly, unfun to look at.

I been kicked out of better homes than this.
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-05-08 08:49:14 UTC
Don't forget that drone skills are getting nerfed. Fozzie already said that geckos have Kronos stats currently so they won't be getting any planned changes.

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