Player Features and Ideas Discussion

the damage to a loki would be based on how fast it's moving and if its painted and running an MWD. The phoenix's rigs would also be a huge impact on the damage.

archon with max links and strong x-instinct booster and full halo set is 1289 sig

loki under max links MWD running 5 linked domination TP's and 5 60% webs has a sig of 1366 (860 if using non faction tp's and 711 if the tp's aren't boosted by links) and a speed of 180m/s)
using an ab its 348 sig and 62 m/s


if we give the loki pilot halos and booster
ab is 235 sig
MWD is 921

So that's a linked, stationary 85 m sig Loki, quad-painted (overloaded, linked, bonused Domination painters) up to 640 m sig, being shot by a triple-rigour Strong Crash Phoenix with explosion radius 857 m, dealing 74.7% damage, or 85,120 volley. Ignoring shield and assuming a dual plated Loki with 80.3% lowest resist and 180,226 armour EHP on explosive means it drops to 53% armour.

That's a long way from 20%.

most dreads dont fly around with 4 painters, nor does a t3 sit still.

people always say:


anything hit with that is dead. end of story the phoenix is not special in this case

if it was 1 painter, maybe a web, and 3 rigors with a moving target i would feel it would be more reasonable.

Fozzie shills - Brilliant!!

So triage carriers are harder to hit with the new phoenix WTH!!!

I'm sick of getting grief for dropping my phoenix and getting crap for it. Give me some help CCP.

The tank is utterly worthless. Any dread that gets caught is going to die no matter how much tank its got. A few good neuts on you and there goes that tank....or a bubble and your dead since you can't hit anything smaller than a large moon so the heavy dictors that have to run in fear a Moros blapping them just lazily drift up to your phoenix without having to bother to orbit you even, heck they could just set a range and infipoint you and you couldn't kill them EVER.
The worry of making it a sub cap blapping monster is silly. We already have them so making another one wouldn't be much of a difference.

Who dreamed up the ridiculous idea of editing like 12 different things instead of just making citadel missiles better.
If you over buffed them to be too boss you can just tweak the dos down a bit with a quick simple patch of one thing.
Now we got like 19 things all jacked up.

Ok I am not totally hating on everything about it, however, the flight speed of missiles getting increased is a great idea. Makes fire walling harder and makes your dos actually get to the target in time to count more often. Check my killboard for a few amusing 0 damage 'kills' with a phoenix. I fired but the moros and Revs second shots killed the target before my first volley got there...that was pretty lame.

See Carlo M. Cipolla as the appropriate reference for this imaginative 12 steps to making the Phoenix 'terribetter'




*(Def: Terribetter: The act of making something better, and terrible at the same time)

what 140k alpha ? where is that from?

From comments like this I sort of feel that maybe CCP just made a change to see how it would play out and that in spite of the people saying this or that any increase in usage (and any associated victories) could be considered an *effective* change even if it's not immediately popular or makes sense.

Compare with some of the other changes they've made throughout the rebalance, I'd say that they sit on 8/10 for performance generally with a couple of things here or there that are just no good and maybe only because there's not really any place for them anymore (like mine layers or such).

Provide some ideas if you have them instead of just complaining. See the RLML thread, i offer some ideas for ccp to work with. What can be done with phoenix'? I don't fly them literally so i cannot offer advice beyond mathematics.