Player Features and Ideas Discussion

when are you fixing dread blapping

All that is necessary: Tracking computers & enhancers affecting missiles.
Is there anything new about this?

But, at least from a Wormhole usage perspective, its not.

Its objectively worse than every other dread in a wormhole scenario beyond a single combat duel with no outside interference.
It's even worse for PvE in high class wormholes, and the fact that a Triage carrier or subcap fleet can outright ignore it makes it still the most underwhelming of dreads.

And really, who's idea was the tank bonus? Just a few expansions ago, resist bonuses were nerfed because they were dictating which ships were used too much. Why would you throw that monkey wrench into the already dubious dread balance situation.

As a Phoenix pilot, i'm far from pleased to seeing you move my ship into a nullsec dread blob niche only fit for hitting towers and super capitals.

Thanks for your input. feel free to gargle my nuts.

Anyway, where was I? Ranting i think.

At this point, if these are the best we can expect for citadel torpedo buffs, I imagine it would be more fruitful to simply hope that the Phoenix becomes another hybrid weapons dread rather than an unused waste of hangar space and minerals.

Translation: The change is happening as is; so grab your ankles!

Flat out ignoring the obstacles the phoenix must overcome before shining, firewalls, delayed damage, cpu issues, damage application and very costly fitting to make it usefull in various fights, you still make it sub par to any of the other dread when it comes to damage and application.

I dont think its hard to understand that some of us want it to shine a little stronger than sub par facing greater challenges of beeing useful.

they are gonna be the dread to have in whs i think, we will see after the patch i guess.

Feel free to explain your logic, because in literally no situation past the aforementioned dreadnought duel will the Phoenix post changes even be competitive.

In a typical wormhole engagement where you would need to commit a limited number of caps through a hole, why would you ever consider the new Phoenix over the Naglfar or Moros. Both of the gun equipped dreadnoughts could post a danger to a Bhaalgorn that would shut their tank down rather quickly, but against the Phoenix there is no such threat to fielding that asset. Also, while most theory crafting so far has been assuming a T2 fit more typical of k-space capital fits, the new Phoenix wouldn't even come close to breaking a properly fit WH Triage carrier. Consequently, this limitation on its PvP utility, coupled with its near inability to be competitive with even the weakest of gun dreadnoughts in escalation PvE renders the ship nearly worthless.


Although its rather nice for rolling holes. If you put a pair of plates and an afterburner on it, it reaches the maximum jump mass on the largest wormholes.

They are significant because sig-tanking happens no matter what. It is always in effect unlike speed tanking. And sig-tanking Archons are being used en masse live on TQ.

While I agree that the new Phoenix is superior to the old one, I dislike seeing a change that needs so many ancillary changes to seem balanced, and yet still leaves the Phoenix looking sub-par compared to other dreads.

Also, people talking about needed billions of isk in rigs just to compensate are not looking at the whole picture. Crash Booster or a target painter are your friends. Use one or the other. Perhaps both if shooting at subcaps.

Fozzie, what would it take to convince you to place the Phoenix on par or within ~80% the effectiveness of a Naglfar or Moros for blapping sub-caps? I'm not sure you appreciate just how essential dreadnought DPS is for breaking deadspace-fit T3s being supported by triage reps.

They require a similar amount of web support to be effective, but no matter how much you paint the target, as it stands the gun dreads will apply their DPS much better.