Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is a silly thread. Half of you are upset that the mod used mostly for haulers is being used for people to get away. That is what the mod is for. No they will not make is to that you can alpha any indy that has one fit just so you don't have to learn to sneak up on FW farmers.

The other half isn't as upset that they can't kill stabbed farmers, they are upset that their are farmers. Just like IRL you need farmers to feed the military. Unless you have tons of real life money to turn PLEX into ships, then farming is involved in your gameplay.

"Oh, well, my corp pays for my PVP"-Great, so your corp farms for you
"Oh, well, this charcter is supported by another account."-Great, so your Alts farm
"Oh, well, I pay for everything with PLEX."-Great, you are farming IRL
"Oh, well, I get everything given to me through scams"-Nice to meet you, Jita Dweler, all the stuff you have was farmed by someone.

Get over it. This game can not exist without farming. The mods, the ores, all of it come from someone willing to do that so that you can PEW PEW. If you don't like where they do it, try to stop them. If you can't stop them, get better at trying to stop them. That makes the game interesting. If you want to play a game where you can PVP without someone farming for you to be able to do it, I think there is one where you can be a bear of some sort.

Just like they have to try to find ways around people hoping to freeload off their farming(you), you(you) need to find ways around the ways that they find around people hoping to freeload off their farming(you again).

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So it is safe to say that your biggest complaint is that someone orbiting a marker is making more isk than the group of PVPers they are outsmarting. Good for them.

Parasite is not an accurate description since they are not taking anything from other players. On the other hand there is a group of people in low who don't produce anything on their own, and want to only take from other people... that sounds like a parasite... I wonder who that is?

Why would they do anything to help you? You have already stated that they are your enemy. Of course they don't do business and make profits for you. I, on the other hand, enjoy the faction loot they bring in for me. I don't care if it is you our someone else who brings it, but I bet you 10 to 1 that if there where only people like you bring in Phoons and SNI they would be way more expensive. I don't want that. Only your specific niche group wants that.

Compete or die. That is how it works. Whining when you get out competed by a better strategy doesn't help the game either. Instead find a way to overcome and improve. FW brings you the targets.

The mechanics already favour PvPers: if a combat ship shows up the farmer will leave.



CCP has already expressed their opinion by removing one of the options that "real" PvPers had for combatting plex farmers. The respawning NPC does nothing to deter stabbed farmers either: they already got rid of the NPC to start spinning the button, they'll just keep getting rid of the NPC.

Have to say, as someone who often afk-farms plexes while working during the day, the cloak change won't make the slightest bit of difference. Anything flashy enters, hit warp button. You're gone before they're even in range.

Timer rollback would work though.

The timer already rolls back when antagonists enter. The plex stays though. Perhaps removing the plex (and having a limited rate of plex spawning) would help address the issue?

Killing people is a great way to play the game. I really don't know anyone who plays for isk. We all use isk to do the things that we want to do. Most likely they just can't do those things yet, but maybe they just get enjoyment out of orbiting until they get dizzy. You are interfering with their spacial distortion, good sir, and in exchange they are using stabs to interfere with your ability to turn them into explosions!

Typically, numbers and data are good for debates.

So let's begin with the numbers: 90 percent of all ships flown in faction warfare are fitted with warp core stabilizers.

In a warzone, with people killing each other (allegedly) to "defend" their side's space.

Doesn't it break immersion, and the fun of the game, to see people fit their entire set of lowslots with warp core stabilizers, because they can't stomach some combat, in a region continuously at war with each other?

These people fit WCS not because they are concerned about losing ships. They fit WCS because they don't want to be INCONVENIENCED as they farm easily 1 billion isk per day. If their ship explodes, they actually need to travel home and fit a new one.

A great number of these faction warfare plex farmers are run by Russian-coded Macro programs. These characters have a computer play the game for them; I've already reported a number of macro-operated farmers, but they're a perennial weed, a plague on the warzone.

So, before you claim that this action is too harsh, I think it's not harsh enough. The amount of EULA-breaching players in faction warfare using warp core stabilizers to make their macro accounts invulnerable is insane. Action should be taken to support faction warfare for what it is: Fast, fun, low-skill point pvp.

There are many -10 permanent flashy suicide gankers in hi sec. The security standing penalty is meaningless to them. They have optimised their effort-to-reward conversion rate by finding ways of coping with the -10 status. They cope by shipping replacement catalysts in neutral orcas, then boarding the catalyst in space and blowing up the target while police and CONCORD are en-route.



There are consequences: if the attackers bring more than 4 points you can't escape after they've locked you. With WCS fitted, you have severely gimped your combat fitting. There's no need to reduce the damage output by a ship fitted with WCS, it's already 10-20% worse off due to lacking DPS mods.



Timer resets greatly distort the playing field to the advantage of the antagonist. You're down to 4 seconds left on a 15 minute timer and someone warps a bigger fleet in, driving you away. Does it really seem fair that you spent almost 15 minutes trying to capture the objective and someone undoes your work in 30 seconds?

Note that in this case no ships are fitted with WCS, but they still escape before the enemy fleet engages. Thus they are still denying the fight, because they know they can't win it.

The "AFK" stabbed frigate bunch are already shooting NPCs. They already don't care about how long it takes to capture the site. Adding more NPCs for them to shoot will achieve nothing.



This will be something for CSM9 to discuss with CCP since CCP have all the information. There are people out there flying combat fits with WCS to ensure they can run away if a fight looks like escalating out of the winnable zone. There are people out there using WCS as part of their travel fits, but they still have weapon systems in order to try and fight their way out of an ambush.



No, the greater complaints are from people who are worried about their FW ISK printing machine being weakened by the "AFK stabbed plex farmers" generating more LP than the "legitimate" pilots who are doing it The Right Way™.

And here's the kicker: even if you do ban WCS from FW plexes, the farmers will simply improve their strategies to ensure that they can still farm. They'll just warp out sooner rather than wait to see if you engage or not. Or maybe they'll switch to using ECM to remove your point rather than WCS to negate your point. You'll still be stuck watching farmers warping out while giving you the bird.

So here's how to solve the problem given the current mechanics: use enough firepower to explode the AFKer's ship before they have time to switch to their EVE client and warp out. Then keep warping to sites to keep the farmers out.

Wrong again. If you'd been bothered to read his previous posts you'd understand how.

So answer my question posed on Page 2 Post #1: