Player Features and Ideas Discussion

OK, I'm not a FW expert but WCS aren't broken, FW is. You don't break one module because a system is broken and if you do you break it for the whole of New Eden.

Personally, I think you need to HTFU and bring more points, more friends or more DPS if you don't like WCS use then bring the counter to it.

People fit WCS to escape, strange notion I know, and the counter to that is points, Faction points at that (+3). Is there a Faction WCS? Nope.

So the more WCS you fit the less distance you can lock at which is called balance.

So now I've covered that please tell me why they should have another negative bonus added for their use?

Trying to understand the logic here, step one remove farmers step 2 ??? Step 3 more PVP and profit....
Really cannot see what step2 is.
Underpants Gnomes comes to mind.

Perhaps introduce incursion like spawns? One ship as tough as a player and if you succeed in killing it you get LP in the same vein as an equivalent site.

Just for some variety and they're faster to complete but with very high risks. Defending players would naturally force an attacker to bring a gang which increases the completion frequency etc etc

Thank you sir.

And keep up the excellent work on Crossing Zebras! The post on the fall of Innia made me shed a tear or two...

A GalMil CEO certainly provides tons more content than a 'professional' farmer that only flies cloaky stabbed ships and possibly never even talks to anybody in Militia, let alone fights anybody. Regardless of said CEO's tactical combat decisions in that specific occasion.

Even though some active FW PVPers occasionaly farm in cheap ships (when nobody's looking ) or alts, they generally use the LPs to fund their PVP, leading to enjoyable content for all EVE-kind.

Risk-adversity is independant of farming or pvp-ing. I honestly would prefer 5 (ex-)farmers trying to gangbang me when I'm soloing than having them semi-afk plex each on their own.

That's an entirely different argument to "stabbed plexers ruin my solo PvP experience." It's also a different argument to "cloaky plexers are ruining my solo PvP experience."

Farmers are part of the FW system, because the FW system is about collecting rewards for effort. Any time you issue rewards for effort, people are naturally going to attempt to optimise the effort required to get the reward. That's part of human nature. Heck, it's part of being a living thing on planet Earth. In this thread we've already had Gully Alex Foyle try to explain that the "disease" is farmers deleteriously affecting his own efficiency in converting effort to ISK, as if he is entitled to better ISK/effort than someone else because he's playing the game The Right Way™.

Prohibiting cloaking devices isn't going to get rid of the stabbed frigate menace, but it will remove some options for gameplay for people who were playing the game The Right Way™.

The issue of farmers degrading your ISK/effort is self-correcting. At some point, spinning FW plexes in stabbed frigates will become less profitable than some other activity (such as blitzing missions or running havens & sanctums), and the ISK/effort optimisers will leave for those greener pastures. At this point you'll also lose a number of the "real" combat pilots who were in Faction Warfare to make ISK from PvP activities.

If you're playing Faction Warfare for the ISK, you're part of the problem. Unless you're willing to accept that any activity that rewards effort with currency will be farmed by people who optimise the effort required to get that reward, you are just as bad as them (you're actually worse, because you're not as efficient at converting effort to ISK because you're wasting your time looking for "good fights" which are not revenue positive).

The easy way to fix the button spinning "problem" is to remove the currency rewards. See how many AFK stabbed frigates hang around when there's no reward for doing so.

And then the problem continues because there is a reward for having sovereignty/occupation of a particular system: your industry is more efficient. If you were building capital ships to supply a null sec super capital construction project, and could get 15% better throughput by having occupation, would it be worth your time to spend a few millions of ISK on button spinning?

Again, if there's a reward for effort people will game the system to optimise the reward per effort factor.

Refusing to accept this fact isn't going to help you design a better game.

Yes, my opinion is that The Right Way to engage in, affect and get rewards out of Faction Warfare should be combat PVP. So, along with several others, I'm asking CCP to consider mechanics changes (especially timer rollbacks) that would favor PVP-ers.

The reason for that is because I believe PVP is better game content than farming. My personal ISK efficiency has nothing to do with it, I don't plex for ISK, it's too boring and you have to deal with lame same-faction LP thieves, etc.

If CCP agrees, we're happy. If they don't, for example because they think FW farming is a great way for new players to make money and try out lowsec, I'm fine with that.

But at least I have an actual opinion on the topic at hand.

Here are my ideas regarding Warp Core Stabilizer rebalancing in general, not just confined to faction warfare:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342690&find=unread

So if someone wants to fit warp core stabs on a Procurer or Skiff while mining in low sec to escape players, their ability to fight off the belt/site rats using drones should be degraded? I thought CCP wanted to encourage people to mine in low sec.

+1. Simple. Elegant.

Hurts my stabbed Vexor Navy Issue that assigns sentry drones to the insta-locker as well. As it should.