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Has it always been this bad?

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Doreen Kaundur
#1 - 2014-05-06 14:12:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Doreen Kaundur
Ive stopped reading the news lately. It's just too damn depressing.

Seems war, conflict, pain and suffering are everywhere and there is no end in sight. Standards of decency and morality are overhauled making the old immorality, the new morality. Lies are the new truths.

Professionalism is dead in just about any field of work you look at. I wont even get into how much politics stink these days.

My question is: has it always been this way? Or is it that obtaining this information has gotten easier thus giving the impression that it's getting worse?

Sometimes when it gets to be too much for me, I turn to gaming as an outlet. So EVE becomes therapeutic in the long run.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-05-06 15:12:38 UTC
I guess it's all a matter of perspective.

The Crusades were well known for barbarism. Two of its worst moments were 1) right near the beginning when less militarily experienced crusaders got impatient and started attacking and looting Christian settlements before they even got to Jerusalem, committing terrible atrocities, and 2) around 1212 when a sizable force of French and German poor and children were given free passage to go liberate Jersusalem, only to be sold en masse into slavery in Tunisia and other Venetian hubs.

The activities of the Dutch in Africa are quite horrific. Not to mention the atrocities of African dictatorships committed on their own people. The latter is hardly a recent development.

The innumerable atrocities committed by Japan on most of Asia. My own grandmother spent years disguised as a boy to avoid the attention (to put it lightly) of Japanese soldiers in her country.

Take a look at disease, field medicine, and war casualties during the American Civil War.

These are just random examples. I think it is characteristically human to be savages to each other. It is also characteristically human to be kind.

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Marsha Mallow
#3 - 2014-05-06 15:45:19 UTC
Some speculate that depressing news stories are a tool used by western societies to keep people in a perpetual state of unease. I think it was 'State of Fear' by Michael Crichton where I saw it best explained in lay terms.

Just turn your TV off for a decade or so, I'd recommend it to anyone. I still watch films and tv series via Netflix etc but you bypass a lot of the advertising and subliminal propaganda, as well as the soundbite. It's really the soundbite and lack of attention span from viewers causing these shock tactics across media sites.

You get more indepth coverage on world affairs from journals or very focused reporting. I'm starting to lean away from newspapers too as there is so much crap to wade through before you get to anything remotely balanced or unbiased.

But ye, I'm pretty sure life has always been **** for a lot of people v0v

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-05-06 15:50:05 UTC
I read a book called "Amusing Ourselves to Death" which had an interesting perspective that it's easier for us to imagine an oppressive future to be like 1984, when reality is closer to an oppressive future that is more like Brave New World where media is your soma and you are only too addicted to continue consuming it and being powerless instead of being useful.

^^ what a crazy run on. My brain is too broken to fix it.

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Marsha Mallow
#5 - 2014-05-06 15:56:55 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
"Amusing Ourselves to Death"

Noted that, ty. Actually thinking of sticking a thread up soonish for reading suggestions, I'm bored & have some time soon.

I'm studying History atm and we just did a segment on utopias and dystopias, it was probably my favourite bit of the course (despite the fact I prefer pre-modern typically). I've been an avid Sci-Fi reader for years and obviously some reflect the period they were written in heavily, particularly the ones written during the cold war. I never spotted the historical shift from utopia to dystopia though as a social trend. The 19th century political utopias I'd heard of but discarded as probably incredibly boring, but they look quite intriguing now.

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Sweets > U can dd my face any day

SCV'Argos
TheMurk
#6 - 2014-05-06 16:03:59 UTC  |  Edited by: SCV'Argos
Doreen Kaundur wrote:

My question is: has it always been this way?

Yes, of course. It just was much less visible before Internet and TV (especially Internet).
We happen to live in the era of big changes: we start to really see all the sh** happening around, and the time we fix the broken world is just on the horizon.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#7 - 2014-05-06 16:10:26 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
I read a book called "Amusing Ourselves to Death"




I hope this book is about what I think its about.. because I didn't think that would actually kill you.. just make you go blind and make your palms hairy.

... Nope. Just read the summary. Not what I think its about.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-05-06 16:36:41 UTC
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Ive stopped reading the news lately. It's just too damn depressing.

Seems war, conflict, pain and suffering are everywhere and there is no end in sight. Standards of decency and morality are overhauled making the old immorality, the new morality. Lies are the new truths.

Professionalism is dead in just about any field of work you look at. I wont even get into how much politics stink these days.

My question is: has it always been this way? Or is it that obtaining this information has gotten easier thus giving the impression that it's getting worse?

Sometimes when it gets to be too much for me, I turn to gaming as an outlet. So EVE becomes therapeutic in the long run.

Welcome to the human race.

It does seem that these days there seems to be more conflict and whatnot, however it is important to remind that the start of a century usually brings social turmoil. 20th century culiminated in WW I, who knows what the 21st century will bring.

Keep in mind tho, it was never this easy to acess information and news never traveled so fast, so that might be a reason why it seems there's so much conflict nowadays.

Maybe there was always this much conflict. We just didn't knew about it.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#9 - 2014-05-06 17:25:06 UTC
This is actually the most peaceful time in human history as far as we know. It seems a lot worse because we are hard wired to remember the bad things over good things.
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#10 - 2014-05-06 17:35:54 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#11 - 2014-05-06 17:49:30 UTC
"Has it always been this bad?"

Typically, it's been far worse.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2014-05-06 18:00:16 UTC
no it's not bad. that's just what's being presented to you.

it's drama like daytime soaps, just a different flavor. highbrow drama.

news doesn't affect your life enough to be worth staying on top of it, unless it's happening to you/you are the news, which you probably don't want and seeing it in the news would be too late for you anyway.

unplug the TV.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#13 - 2014-05-06 18:55:10 UTC
Bad news sells, good news not so much.

The main reason that we see and hear so much bad news is that, thanks to technology, the world is a much smaller place than it was 30 years ago.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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SCV'Argos
TheMurk
#14 - 2014-05-07 00:55:36 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Bad news sells, good news not so much.

Yes, this.

News channels are just rushing for [damn] ratings and money.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#15 - 2014-05-07 06:03:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Webvan
you cant fix stupid

Example

Straight

They are more or less turning the children into basket cases with all this fear mongering. In the 70's they started feeding us this very same BS (as link above) and we gave them the bird. But now they are coming down on kids so hard with this BS it's traumatizing them. 40yrs later, the same total BS, exactly, and nothing has happened. We were all suppose to be dead decades ago from what they told us. Now they got the kids full of end of the world nightmares, the same crap they tried to push onto us. imo it's all about control.. and greed! And it covers many subjects, just the same tactic deployed now over a wider area. I would say it is driving us to our ends, self-fulfilling. You know, like the placebo effect? But in reverse... you're fine, but I'm going to give you this [sugar] pill that is going to make you sick and die. No society can function that way for long, it'll self-destruct. So... keep your wits and prepare your zombie kits?

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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-05-07 10:30:10 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Some speculate that depressing news stories are a tool used by western societies to keep people in a perpetual state of unease. I think it was 'State of Fear' by Michael Crichton where I saw it best explained in lay terms.


Lol, I remember a few years ago when the german government and some big pharmacy comanies tried to incite the birdflu panic in Germany, expecting everyone to buy shitloads of bird flu medicine.

In the end nobody cared and nobody got sick. xD

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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Lee Zounduz
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-05-07 17:19:18 UTC
Doreen Kaundur wrote:
Ive stopped reading the news lately. It's just too damn depressing.

Seems war, conflict, pain and suffering are everywhere and there is no end in sight. Standards of decency and morality are overhauled making the old immorality, the new morality. Lies are the new truths.


My question is: has it always been this way? Or is it that obtaining this information has gotten easier thus giving the impression that it's getting worse?


History tells us it used to be a whole lot worse!
I stopped reading newspapers years ago... Now I just rant at the t.v
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-05-07 18:03:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Lee Zounduz wrote:

History tells us it used to be a whole lot worse!




History is quite a funny thing you know? There are 2 things that I've seen that we deffinitely learned from history:

1 - We actually didn't learn anything at all, xcept
2 - new, better, bigger, cleaner and humane (altho there's nothing humane in murder) ways to kill or dispose of people.

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SCV'Argos
TheMurk
#19 - 2014-05-09 02:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: SCV'Argos
Webvan wrote:
you cant fix stupid

Example

Straight

They are more or less turning the children into basket cases with all this fear mongering. In the 70's they started feeding us this very same BS (as link above) and we gave them the bird. But now they are coming down on kids so hard with this BS it's traumatizing them.

They just manipulate peoples with fear (to suppress) and hatred (to make countries fight each other). Also they keep average education at a maximally low level to prevent people from ability to analize the flow of seemingly not connected events.
Btw, there IS actually some warming in the present day climate, but I've read somewhere that it's a pre-iceage warming - and I think it's the truth. But nobody's gonna give a damn about what is coming in the next several hundred thousand years, so they invented all this crap about coming "catastrophes" - as a source of fear.

Grimpak wrote:

2 - new, better, bigger, cleaner and humane (altho there's nothing humane in murder) ways to kill or dispose of people.

The 2nd point IMO comes out of another thing: keeping slavery less and less visible, making slaves believe they're free (having even 50 crappy candidates on an election doesn't mean that a citizen has choise: he's just choosing between different sorts and odors of crap). Hence "cleaner" ways to murder, backing it with some ideological bullsh**, "law", "justice" etc (real justice almost never works against the real criminals, damn, it's they who write and bend the laws).
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-05-09 02:37:39 UTC
It has always been bad, but the "big boys" kept things under wraps.

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