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New Rattler vs Ishtar/Dominix
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#41 - 2014-05-07 23:13:42 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The new rattlesnake will have issues with range its likely to become more of a brawler not a sentry boat.
Gecko + Torps or Gecko + RHML are both looking interesting.

How much range does it need exactly? 1800+ dps out to over 80km doesn't seem like that much of a hardship.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#42 - 2014-05-07 23:41:43 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The new rattlesnake will have issues with range its likely to become more of a brawler not a sentry boat.
Gecko + Torps or Gecko + RHML are both looking interesting.

How much range does it need exactly? 1800+ dps out to over 80km doesn't seem like that much of a hardship.

LMJD is 100km.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2014-05-07 23:44:05 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The new rattlesnake will have issues with range its likely to become more of a brawler not a sentry boat.
Gecko + Torps or Gecko + RHML are both looking interesting.

How much range does it need exactly? 1800+ dps out to over 80km doesn't seem like that much of a hardship.

LMJD is 100km.

LMJD doesn't seem like the optimal use of the proposed RS.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#44 - 2014-05-07 23:45:47 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
LMJD doesn't seem like the optimal use of the proposed RS.

I agree - using the LMJD distances as a gauge seems pretty weak...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#45 - 2014-05-08 03:08:33 UTC
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Just to confirm I have the math correct, the New Rattlesnakes bonus of 275% damage to 2 drones (2 * 3.75 = 7.5) is the same as an Ishtar/Dominix's 50% bonus (at level 5) to 5 drones (5*1.5=7.5)?



The answer is sometimes.

People keep missing a big factor to the new RS.

The bonus is to heavy and sentry drones only.

This means every time you have your lights or mediums out you have to run with 5 to have the same damage as before.



Another factor is how much damage you lose when a drone goes pop.
This factor is being generally ignored. (( It will be a huge factor, mainly for PvP and is indeed a nerf ))

The extra damage with the missiles is nice but at a high cost to cap/tank. (( Say good bye to that NOS that powers the X-Large shield booster, another nerf ))


The ship will have gains and losses and the focus on the forums seems to be on the gains.
I don't expect the reality to be as good as people are planning. (( Maybe enough to make up for the drone onmi nerf in PVE / buff for PvP? ))

By the time you factor the omni in and the lack of the other boats like the Domi needing them to the same degree as before those changes, I'm betting it's a complete wash.
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#46 - 2014-05-08 05:11:57 UTC
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Just to confirm I have the math correct, the New Rattlesnakes bonus of 275% damage to 2 drones (2 * 3.75 = 7.5) is the same as an Ishtar/Dominix's 50% bonus (at level 5) to 5 drones (5*1.5=7.5)?



The answer is sometimes.

People keep missing a big factor to the new RS.

The bonus is to heavy and sentry drones only.

This means every time you have your lights or mediums out you have to run with 5 to have the same damage as before.

Actually, since medium/light drones will be unbonused, you will never be able to get the same damage with mediums/lights as before, even if you use 5 (since currently you have 7.5 effective drones).
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#47 - 2014-05-08 20:16:45 UTC
For ratting, I used a 6 damage mod rattler. It'll work even better now.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#48 - 2014-05-09 06:05:53 UTC
Batelle wrote:
For ratting, I used a 6 damage mod rattler. It'll work even better now.


Yeah come patch day it should be properly better than a 6 damage mod dominix, which will make the rattler an worthwhile upgrade option from the dominix like it should be.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-05-09 07:22:43 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
LMJD doesn't seem like the optimal use of the proposed RS.

I agree - using the LMJD distances as a gauge seems pretty weak...


Depends, in general you would not want to have a fit that you have to slowboat at 130m/s for 20km to get into range after a jump, firing some shots and then jump again because the rat battleships came into 50-70km range of their guns and missiles, kinda defeats the whole point of having a dps oriented sniper fit.

(not that some fits would not be able to get to a 5 slot tank even with max dps @ 100-120km, but still)
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#50 - 2014-05-09 18:38:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Due to the range hit of garde drones, I was using one of the other three to get that long range optimal. Since very few rats are weakest to thermal, the dps loss isn't very much, you maintain long range and can keep using a resistance tank. With the added falloff on gardes i may reconsider after the drone rebalance. For missions, I could address this by dual propping, but I've retired my rattlesnake from missioning, i only use it for nullsec now.

I'm pretty happy because I just recently got caldari BS 5 and finished maxing my missile supports. Really looking forward to seeing what kind of performance I'll be able to get now.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#51 - 2014-05-09 18:39:51 UTC
Chris Winter wrote:
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
Lothros Andastar wrote:
Just to confirm I have the math correct, the New Rattlesnakes bonus of 275% damage to 2 drones (2 * 3.75 = 7.5) is the same as an Ishtar/Dominix's 50% bonus (at level 5) to 5 drones (5*1.5=7.5)?



The answer is sometimes.

People keep missing a big factor to the new RS.

The bonus is to heavy and sentry drones only.

This means every time you have your lights or mediums out you have to run with 5 to have the same damage as before.

Actually, since medium/light drones will be unbonused, you will never be able to get the same damage with mediums/lights as before, even if you use 5 (since currently you have 7.5 effective drones).



Yep. Forgot about that sad nerf part of the old bonus.

But your not allowed to call it a nerf. (( Forum cops will shut down the thread. Shhhhhhh ))
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2014-05-10 15:45:14 UTC
Soon Shin wrote:
Dem Geckos are pretty dam powerful. nearly 1100 DPS on a Rattlesnake with just a single Gecko. The one weakness the Gecko has is that it does omnidamage, so if you're doing missioning omnidamage is not as good as pure damage.


Drone Interfacing is being nerfed to 50% in the next patch, all other drones will have their base damage increased to make up for it but the Gecko will not. Post-patch it will do the same dps as two augmented Ogres.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-05-10 19:30:13 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Yeah, I didn't read the full post as he is a notoriously bad poster. Now I've gone back and read his post, I wish I hadn't.


I am? I hadn't realised I had achieved such notoriety. Thanks for bring me up to speed.



Well considering you bring up this drone assisted setup mid thread out of nowhere. It's like changing the argument mid stream.
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