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Access to Old Ship Models (NES, Ship Customization, or other means)
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monkfish2345
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-05-07 15:34:09 UTC
i get the feeling your probably overthing this. all that would really be needed is for the old models and textures to be put back into the client. the only ship that would need to be translated would be the clients own ship really.

if you expected it to check each other user and translate their ship skins to new or old, then you would have issues. but i would imagine for those that want the nostalgia hit, seeing their own ship with the old model would be more than enough.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#22 - 2014-05-07 15:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
The newer models are really better in every respect. Given a choice of the resources being put into retaining the older (outdated) ship models or instead invested into updating and revising the rest of the ship models... it's not a hard decision...

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monkfish2345
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-05-07 15:51:11 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
The newer models are really better in every respect. Given a choice of resources being put into retaining the older (outdate) ship models or instead invested into updating and revising the rest of the models it's not a hard decision...


your ignoring the fact that it could easily be used to generate revenue for CCP.

also it's worth pointing out that ship skins has been something that CCP have themselves talked about many times over the years, and while they are yet to deliver on this, what the OP is asking for would pretty much fall under the same development work.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#24 - 2014-05-07 16:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Bohneik Itohn
We got a Police Comet. So why can't I buy a classic Crucifier with LP or AUR?

If the issue is standardizing the quality of the artwork in Eve, throw a higher resolution skin on it and call it a day. We like some of the old models of ships and will pay a premium for them just like we'll pay a premium for ship skins, and it has the same performance impact as ship skins.

I see no barriers to prevent this.

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Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#25 - 2014-05-07 17:36:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasril Pux
monkfish2345 wrote:
old eos and scorpion would be more than welcome. and god forbid they finally get around to changing the old space potato


They're getting around to it.

New Space Potato

If you do want access to the old models don't forget to like the OP, I've heard that CCP may pay attention to what people like. And yes, I am a self promoting ***.

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-05-07 18:40:21 UTC
I'd also pay money (plex) to keep the old scorpion and moa models.
CETA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
#27 - 2014-05-07 21:13:35 UTC
i hope this idea doesnt get implemented.
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#28 - 2014-05-07 21:33:38 UTC
this should be easy do do - just re-introduce the old models (assuming they still have them) in the same manner as different coloured ships.

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Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#29 - 2014-05-07 21:41:38 UTC
CETA Elitist wrote:
i hope this idea doesnt get implemented.

Why? Would this idea have a negative impact on your personal game play?

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#30 - 2014-05-07 22:34:35 UTC
monkfish2345 wrote:
your ignoring the fact that it could easily be used to generate revenue for CCP. also it's worth pointing out that ship skins has been something that CCP have themselves talked about many times over the years, and while they are yet to deliver on this, what the OP is asking for would pretty much fall under the same development work.

I hadn't ignored that - I just don't think there's that much of a demand for it compared to say an update that allows you to customize your ship beyond ship skins.

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CERA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
#31 - 2014-05-07 22:41:25 UTC
CETA Elitist wrote:
i hope this idea doesnt get implemented.

Me too.
Rendiff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-05-07 23:09:19 UTC
What's dead should stay dead.
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#33 - 2014-05-07 23:17:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasril Pux
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
The newer models are really better in every respect. Given a choice of the resources being put into retaining the older (outdated) ship models or instead invested into updating and revising the rest of the ship models... it's not a hard decision...


I understand this argument about developer resources. It is valid. But I disagree, because of my personal love of the abstract, uncomfortable, and confounding original design of my very favorite ships in the game. Some of the redesigns have taken away from my enjoyment of the game, not because I am nostalgic, but because I have different aesthetic preferences. So rather than rant about the direction of the art team and try to change that, I'm arguing to allow a tread upon minority access to older resources through a system that is already under development.

I do not care about my older model being as supremely graphically enhanced as the newer models, I think that adds to their archaic feel anyway. I just want them to be accessible instead of completely gone. I know that such a request will take effort to fulfill. If I worked for CCP I would devote my own time to it. Or if they released the tools, I would figure out how to do it for free. Since I can't do that, I'm asking if they might consider devoting some time and resources to it, just like any other feature request on this forum is asking.

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#34 - 2014-05-09 02:39:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasril Pux
Abrazzar wrote:
Alas, this would cause unnecessary client bloat. At least unnecessary compared to the benefits.

That's a fair argument. I just disagree, as usual. The benefit is attracting and keeping weirdos like me in the game who revel in the designs inspired by master painters like Chris Foss and Peter Elson. The benefit is in having some random eccentric Gila pilot operating in 0.0 no-mans-land flying an old pile of parts everyone thought had been thankfully erased from the universe and proving once and for all just whose sense of aesthetics is superior! You be the judge.

Computer technology is far enough advanced already to render that client bloat you speak of as negligible.

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-05-09 06:30:12 UTC
Assuming no weird problems with implementation, definitely a +1 from this guy.

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Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#36 - 2014-05-11 22:44:36 UTC
CETA Elitist wrote:
i hope this idea doesnt get implemented.


Rendiff wrote:
What's dead should stay dead.


Then provide constructive criticism.

And...

CERA Elitist wrote:
CETA Elitist wrote:
i hope this idea doesnt get implemented.

Me too.

...is this your alt chiming in on your own post?

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Skurja Volpar
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#37 - 2014-05-11 22:53:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Skurja Volpar
Being able to fly the old, utterly decrepit tempest hull would be pretty fun. Plus it's navy variant was much nicer than the current one.

Maybe just as special edition AT prizes or something, so they're rare, but the surfs can still ship spin them through the market window.

I really love the weird and unique look of the older eve ships, and as much as I love a lot of newer designs, feel we might start loosing some of what makes eve's arts special.
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-05-12 07:11:48 UTC
Personally really like the old tiger stripey variant of the Vindicator, and the Mega's old giant cow catcher swoops. The New Mega took a long time for me to start liking.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
CEVA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
#39 - 2014-05-13 13:06:03 UTC  |  Edited by: CEVA Elitist
Hasril Pux wrote:
CETA Elitist wrote:
i hope this idea doesnt get implemented.


Rendiff wrote:
What's dead should stay dead.


Then provide constructive criticism.

And...

CERA Elitist wrote:
CETA Elitist wrote:
i hope this idea doesnt get implemented.

Me too.

...is this your alt chiming in on your own post?

no, they're just a close bunch.
That being said, i think this thread is a bad idea and therefore vote "no".
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#40 - 2014-05-13 17:32:38 UTC
CEVA Elitist wrote:
no, they're just a close bunch.
That being said, i think this thread is a bad idea and therefore vote "no".


Erm, okay I got that, any word on why you/they think this is a bad idea?

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.