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Some EVE players can not separate themselves from the game.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
Transgress
#361 - 2014-05-05 13:30:06 UTC
don't turn this into a moralist campaign, its monday, please.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#362 - 2014-05-05 13:30:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Ok, it's not the Vietnam War Memorial or anything, it's just a monument to a video game, let's keep this in perspective. A little vandalism will probably give it more character.


The monument is a result of ccp taking itself way to seriously. That someone tagged the monument with an alliance logo imo actually gives that monument significance and a real connection to the game and the players. Would certainly be "cool," again imo, if it became a fanfest tradition for folk to sneak out there and tag it with your alliance/corp logo.

edit - didnt realize that the op was talking about the scratching out of someone's name as opposed to the alliance tag that happened earlier. Opps.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#363 - 2014-05-05 13:33:20 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
don't turn this into a moralist campaign, its monday, please.


Amen and hallelujah!!

Oh, wait......


There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#364 - 2014-05-05 13:38:47 UTC
Eve and the internet in general gives a lot of people the opportunity to say and do things they wouldn't normally do. However, it seems some people really are that way. While most people act like jerks on the internet, they're actually decent people irl.

Then there's those who act decent irl and have the opportunity to be their true selves on the internet, acting like jerks :/
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#365 - 2014-05-05 13:49:56 UTC
Yeah lets put EVE players are criminals in perspective
During pubcrawl a window was seen broken, everyone dutifully thought it was a result of the pub crawl and inquired on the repairs
It turned out it was unrelated

In another point, no one got arrested even though the police went and were watching closely

My sister still managed to rip a guys shirt off because she thought it was the flag
Sorry dude, next time go shirtless
Astrid Minoki
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#366 - 2014-05-05 14:19:01 UTC
I am seriously disappointed and in fact angry at this act of high retardation. I would want the person responsible made to pay for the repairs and then charged by the local police for Vandalism. No he would not get jail time obviously but the full remit of punishment for this offence must be used. ( Fine, Banning Order, Community Work,)

I feel let down that a co-player of EVE has denigrated the monument that CCP put up for all of us. We as players have a unique relationship with CCP and them with us.

They must be upset in CCP HQ that they spent time and money on this and they are repaid by an act of malevolence. Luckily they will know that 99% of EVE players leave their nefariousness at the keyboard!

I am not interested in a public naming and shaming or a witch-hunt. I just want the person dealt with and then a CCP announcement saying " Case closed " and the Sculpture is repaired and wholly intact.

As an aside maybe some security measures will have to be taken to prevent copy cat attacks etc , more expense for CCP.


Good job you cretin.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#367 - 2014-05-05 14:23:59 UTC
All we have to do is find the fellow marked with the blinking yellow skull in Iceland. The police won't even do anything if you tag him with water pistols till he pees himself.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#368 - 2014-05-05 14:26:56 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
*sneaks back to Dust forum to observe carnage


I was wondering who that other cloaky camper I saw in local was. Big smileBig smile

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.

Prince Kobol
#369 - 2014-05-05 14:32:33 UTC
First off, who ever put the little bee sticker on and took a photo.. lol

It was a bit a fun, no damage was done. I actually thought it was quite cute Big smile

As for other, actual damage has been caused. It was a malicious attack directed at that person and then they attempted to shift the blame to somebody else.

You can not and should never compare the two.

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#370 - 2014-05-05 14:42:31 UTC
BuckStrider wrote:
Oh, so what you are saying is I can head over to one of your national monuments (in full view of security), slap a sticker on it, take a few pics, remove said sticker, and unless there is visible damage I won't be questioned?

You go first, I'll be interested in the results.

National monuments have their own security that use house rights to enforce rules of behaviour independent and on top of criminal law.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#371 - 2014-05-05 14:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.

If people think it is smart to disregard Falcons warning in his last post about the way to behave in this thread, think again. CCP is taking this very seriously and it would be quite foolish to taunt them for it or over it at this point.
So as a stern advice: please do not!

The Rules:
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.

Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.


30. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.

CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, “outing” of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties.
Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts.

ISD Ezwal Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

yogizh
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#372 - 2014-05-05 15:00:42 UTC  |  Edited by: yogizh
Just to poke in this forum lawyering. I have spent a few years hanging out with writers and street artists, doing some support stuff for them and laws are very different in various countries. Punishment for writing and stickers varies from removing the art piece to 8 years of jail (this harsh one is related do folks doing a plane two weeks after 9/11 in Bratislava Airport).

Damaging memorials, statues or buildings considered to be national heritage can be punished much harder. Criminal charges for this can include hate crimes (destruction of Jewish cemetries and such) and fines going to hundreds of thousands €/USD. Completely different "sport".

On the issue raised by the Grr Goons people. Free speech is guaranteed constitutional right in all 1st world countries and it should not be confused with EULA which serves to protect customers of private companies. Yes there are people trying to bend this, trying to avoid public ridicule (mostly nerds and politicians). In real life there is no GM to stand up for you and no thought police to protect the butthurt people (for now, also can I say butt here ?)
Reiisha
#373 - 2014-05-05 15:45:35 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:

  • First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
  • Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
  • Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.

What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property.

We will not tolerate this.

Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance.

Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance.

With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed.

With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently.

Thanks.



Seriously Falcon bro, cover those names up with a clear protector. We both know it'll happen again, sadly enough. If I was at fanfest I'd do it for you myself, for free!

Stealing the idea from my local graveyard maint. guys, in fact. They've started sealing text on grave markers with plexi, coz dimbulbs have been defacing headstone test for lulz.


Reposting for emphasis. I don't think vandalism was really expected or accounted for for the monument, which is actually not surprising given Reykjavik's (relatively) small size and community. Some kind of coating however would be useful at the very least.

Also - Someone poking at the monument with a knife causing this kind of damage kinda has me worried about the claim that it will stand for 1000 years. ;p

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Silky Cyno
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#374 - 2014-05-05 15:45:56 UTC
Stupid is as stupid does a wise man once said, but he also banged a chic with aids so......................
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#375 - 2014-05-05 15:55:49 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
So, there's a couple of things going to happen in this thread right now:

  • First - People are going to stop pointing fingers and blaming people. CCP will investigate and take any action against game accounts, along with any legal action that we feel necessary. This is already in progress.
  • Second - This is damage of public property in the City of Reykjavik. The police have been informed, and investigation is ongoing. This is not a laughing matter, and will be dealt with as a criminal offence. We are currently reviewing security footage from a number of surrounding buildings.
  • Third - People will stop attacking the victim of this on our forums. It's not funny, it's not clever. Take your rumor mongering and personal attacks away from our community. If you choose not to, you'll be removed from the community, permanently. It's a simple as that. We will not tolerate victimization.

What's happened is absolutely disgusting. It's an insult to the entire community and is clearly the work a person who believes that behavior in a virtual world is a valid reason to make a real life personal attack on someone, and deface public property.

We will not tolerate this.

Thankfully we've already had a number of players come forward to assist us and provide information. Including, we believe, members of the person's own alliance.

Thankfully the vast majority of the rest of the community are in the same frame of mind as CCP - disgusted at the fact that someone would do this, and we're extremely grateful for your assistance.

With that in mind, I'll make a simple one time offer, that if the person who defaced the monument wants to come forward and contact me relating to this, then they can do so by EVE mailing my Dev character. If this happens, we'll take it as a gesture of good faith after an extremely stupid act that was committed.

With this in mind, be sure to keep this thread on topic, and cut out the personal attacks and finger pointing. People who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges. Permanently.

Thanks.

Ah yes, hopefully this person will be thrown to the wolves by his alliance mates. For one thing it would look pretty bad for the alliance if this person was found and alliance mates where seen to be withholding this information of this criminal act from CCP. Would blacken the entire alliance.

Also in a more general sense, I would hope that we, the eve community, do not want people like this amongst us. So it is in everyone's best interest for anyone with knowledge of this to immediately notify CCP or risk being tarred with the same brush.

The thing that really gets me, is fanfest attendees are generally guests in another persons country who kindly offer to host this event in good faith. It is completely disrespectful to vandalise a statue which is as much owned by the Icelandic people as it is owned by the eve community.
FreeBo
Trigger Happy Capsuleers
#376 - 2014-05-05 16:14:30 UTC
The person who did it should be totally ashmed about this. Imo, that's the most stupid thing I've ever seen in my life.

Speaking about finding who did it, a friend of mine who's working at twitter gave me the confirmation that the ip was located in Reykjavik when the tweet was sent. Also, they can have a lot of other informations from their log and quickly find who's behind it.

But it's CCP and the Icelandic police that need to go to them and twitter need to accept to start investigation.
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#377 - 2014-05-05 16:17:34 UTC
it wassunt mi

"Thread locked for being deemed a total loss." - ISD Ezwal

Kimentor
Gallifrey Industries
#378 - 2014-05-05 16:24:50 UTC
Very happy to see that this is taken seriously, it's a shameful and despicable thing to do and makes the entire eve community look bad.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#379 - 2014-05-05 16:26:28 UTC
So... PLEX for tile replacement? Unless the guy who did this is offering to pay for a new one out of his own pocket that is.
Aspalis
Euphoria Released
#380 - 2014-05-05 16:32:58 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
I think there is a lesson in all of this horribleness.


Hate is an emotion we all have but letting it take control, clouding judgment and shutting down any remote chance of rational thinking is not ok. Despite what some will say I know a great deal about emotions and feelings. I have learned which are constructive and which are counterproductive.

Hate as an emotion can literally hijack your brain and make you do stupid things, horrible things. No matter how much you dislike somebody or their ideas you should never let that devolve into hate. This isn't just me saying this either, there is a strong scientific backing to what I am saying.

EvE Online is a Game.
There are plenty of people that I dislike in the context of the game but I would never wish violence upon them or their properties. I would certainly never desire to damage an art installation in efforts to spite them. This is the difference between rational thinking and blind hate.

Even if you don't agree with anything I stand for or have any appreciation for me as a player, remember that we all make EvE what it is. Every single one of us IS EvE.


I agree, I may not like you Xenuria and may disagree with you on many things. That said, I would take that over the forums or in game.

The vandalism of this monument is disrespectful, stupid and unnecessary.

Marcus Gord: "Aspalis is an onion. Many layers, each one makes you cry."