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T2BPO conversion/compensation.

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#1 - 2014-05-04 14:21:58 UTC
Now that T2BPO's are getting removed, ending a blight that has rotted EVE ever since the introduction I'd like to use this forum post to insure that CCP does not make the same mistake twice by overcompensating T2BPO holders and thus simply exacerbating the problem.

The value of a T2BPO is fixed in the amount of research points that they were first converted for. Any reimbursement should take place in that amount of research points for that set value. To give any more or less would invalidate the sandbox. Any value prescribed beyond research points in the form of real life dollars or ISK was purely player speculation and gambling, in short they deserve to lose.

If anyone is interested in T2BPO's or needs reminding why they need removed ASAP you can read about them in the below link,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93154
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-05-04 14:24:41 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
ending a blight that has rotted EVE ever since the introduction

I stopped reading here.

because I have no idea what you are talking about.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#3 - 2014-05-04 14:24:49 UTC
All T2 BPOs should be converted into a collectible commodity. Any other compensation I'll leave up for debate.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#4 - 2014-05-04 14:26:31 UTC
I posted in the morning when the world was begun
I posted from the Moons and the stars and the Suns
I came down from Heaven and I danced on the Earth
At Caldari Institute 5 moon 3 I had my birth:

I posted for the bitter vets and the Devs of CCP
But they would not post back and they wouldn't follow me
I posted for the noobs and for the good Kugu
They came with me and the thread went on:

Post, post, wherever you may be
I am the lord of the T2BPO whine thread, said he
And I lead you all, wherever you may be
And I lead you all in the thread, said he

I posted on a Friday when the world turned black
It's hard to find time to post with invention on your back
They buried my thread, they thought it was gone
But this thread will never ever die and so the posts go on!

They cut me down and I leapt up high
I am the life that will never, never die
I'll whine with you if you'll whine with me
I am the Lord of the T2BPO whine thread.

End T2BPO it was unfair then it's unfair now and detrimental to the game.
Trader Mistress
United Capital Blueprints
#5 - 2014-05-04 14:27:03 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Now that T2BPO's are getting removed, ending a blight that has rotted EVE ever since the introduction I'd like to use this forum post to insure that CCP does not make the same mistake twice by overcompensating T2BPO holders and thus simply exacerbating the problem.

The value of a T2BPO is fixed in the amount of research points that they were first converted for. Any reimbursement should take place in that amount of research points for that set value. To give any more or less would invalidate the sandbox. Any value prescribed beyond research points in the form of real life dollars or ISK was purely player speculation and gambling, in short they deserve to lose.

If anyone is interested in T2BPO's or needs reminding why they need removed ASAP you can read about them in the below link,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93154


They are not getting removed, its just the goon rumour mill trying to exploit cheap Tech II bpo's.

Please link your evidence, rather than a locked thread.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#6 - 2014-05-04 14:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
Abrazzar wrote:
All T2 BPOs should be converted into a collectible commodity. Any other compensation I'll leave up for debate.



Nope T2BPO's cost research points and they will be traded back out of the game for a sweet handful of research points :) You paid 150bn isk for a handful of research points then good for you, at least you never paid real life dollars because that's against the rules and all :) LMFAO!
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#7 - 2014-05-04 14:30:24 UTC
Trader Mistress wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Now that T2BPO's are getting removed, ending a blight that has rotted EVE ever since the introduction I'd like to use this forum post to insure that CCP does not make the same mistake twice by overcompensating T2BPO holders and thus simply exacerbating the problem.

The value of a T2BPO is fixed in the amount of research points that they were first converted for. Any reimbursement should take place in that amount of research points for that set value. To give any more or less would invalidate the sandbox. Any value prescribed beyond research points in the form of real life dollars or ISK was purely player speculation and gambling, in short they deserve to lose.

If anyone is interested in T2BPO's or needs reminding why they need removed ASAP you can read about them in the below link,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93154


They are not getting removed, its just the goon rumour mill trying to exploit cheap Tech II bpo's.

Please link your evidence, rather than a locked thread.


See CCP Greyscales comment re T2 BPO's at the Industry on talk on Saturday I think. Expect them to eliminated on the winter 2014 expansion along with changes to Invention.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#8 - 2014-05-04 14:30:29 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
All T2 BPOs should be converted into a collectible commodity. Any other compensation I'll leave up for debate.



Nope T2BPO's cost research points and they will be traded back out of the game for a sweet handful of research points :) You paid 150bn isk for a handful of research points then good for you, at least you never paid real life dollars because that's against the rules and all :) LMFAO!


Well, except for the part you missed where this isn't happening.



There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#9 - 2014-05-04 14:31:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
Trader Mistress wrote:


They are not getting removed, its just the goon rumour mill trying to exploit cheap Tech II bpo's.

Please link your evidence, rather than a locked thread.



So industry is getting left broken, then what's the point in these new expansions going to fix it? Goon rumour or not CCP should HTFU and plain remove them or just leave industry the broken pile of **** it is.

Any fixes to EVE industry that don't involve the removal of T2BPO's is akin to polishing a turd.

But hey you are right that does sound like something CCP would do so everyone chill its just a Goon plot, EVE is going to remain as bias and **** as it ever has been so don't cry. :)
Gamer4liff
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-05-04 14:33:33 UTC
One free account forever per T2 BPO.

Or

An isk stipend every month from the 'society for the preservation of early blueprint margin note art' equivalent to what the profit would be each month had it been used to produce pre-removal. No more effect on inventors and the owners keep their isk printing machines, everybody wins!

A comprehensive proposal for balancing T2 Production: here

Felicity Love
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-05-04 14:33:44 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
All T2 BPOs should be converted into a collectible commodity. Any other compensation I'll leave up for debate.


1 Fedo each, take it or leave it. Blink

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#12 - 2014-05-04 14:34:01 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
Now that T2BPO's are getting removed, ending a blight that has rotted EVE ever since the introduction I'd like to use this forum post to insure that CCP does not make the same mistake twice by overcompensating T2BPO holders and thus simply exacerbating the problem.

The value of a T2BPO is fixed in the amount of research points that they were first converted for. Any reimbursement should take place in that amount of research points for that set value. To give any more or less would invalidate the sandbox. Any value prescribed beyond research points in the form of real life dollars or ISK was purely player speculation and gambling, in short they deserve to lose.

If anyone is interested in T2BPO's or needs reminding why they need removed ASAP you can read about them in the below link,

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=93154


Nice way to promote your other threads bro.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#13 - 2014-05-04 14:41:00 UTC
Its the thread that will never die till T2BPO's are removed and the sandbox restored, also industry fix or something.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-05-04 14:42:20 UTC
CCP will turn them to collectible items and/or remove all advantage from them, so they're worse compared to invention in all ways. You could still use them for production, but not compete against invention in any area. It'll be extremely unlikely any compensation happening will match the inflated value they are currently traded for.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#15 - 2014-05-04 14:46:30 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
All T2 BPOs should be converted into a collectible commodity. Any other compensation I'll leave up for debate.


1 Fedo each, take it or leave it. Blink

Bad news!Shocked
Your precious T2 BPO got eaten by a Fedo. Sad
But fear not!Smile
You now have a faithful pet. Bear
Rock on! Cool
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#16 - 2014-05-04 14:48:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
CCP will turn them to collectible items and/or remove all advantage from them, so they're worse compared to invention in all ways. You could still use them for production, but not compete against invention in any area. It'll be extremely unlikely any compensation happening will match the inflated value they are currently traded for.


Well CCP devs have made massive mistakes in the past well just look at T2BPO's in the first place so its worth pointing out that any reimbursement beyond the value of the research points will cause further outrage and diminish EVE on-line further.

TBH, I have faith CCP will just do a blunt research point transfer while allowing the T2BPO to be an inactive game trophy. Quick and messy is going to be the best way about this. Sure there is going to be tears but really CCP owe to themselves and their employee's as well as the game community to get this done.

T2BPO's have killed this game dead for a massive amount of possible new subscribers. Those were subscriptions that CCP should have got but instead traded to keep a smaller number of whining pet players happy. In the end this hurt the game, it harmed the playerbase and CCP employees themselves.
Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-05-04 14:54:00 UTC
If we're throwing about compensation claims I'd like all the isk forever after tech got nerfed.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#18 - 2014-05-04 14:58:02 UTC
Doris Dents wrote:
If we're throwing about compensation claims I'd like all the isk forever after tech got nerfed.


Pfft I think TEST get any of that if its handed out.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#19 - 2014-05-04 15:21:52 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
CCP will turn them to collectible items and/or remove all advantage from them, so they're worse compared to invention in all ways. You could still use them for production, but not compete against invention in any area. It'll be extremely unlikely any compensation happening will match the inflated value they are currently traded for.



Actually you could "tweek" invention some so that you get the equivilent of greens/blues etc doing invention ie say your doing invention on thrasher prints to get prints for sabers, and have the chance that one or more of them are better quality than standard, it could be a small increase in the size of the bubble the "improved/green" saber when it's produced, or it could be it gains a largish boost to something else like possibly having a role bonus that gives 125% bonus to MWD speed, or can fit medium size guns instead of smalls etc etc ie "blue/advanced" quality but then have the T2 BPO just produce bog standard sabers same as usual ie against baseline invented prints of the saber the T2 BPO of it would end up better for the decrease in mineral and production time costs, but it NEVER has the chance of producing green/blue quality saber so never produces sabers with some advantages over the default standard saber.

CCP could also have it do so in a manner where any pertic atribute or bonus could be picked randomly, though to save similar abuse to the original reason the T2 BPO lottery was removed, the dev ability to "influance it" should be locked down and require Hilmer to unlock that as well as have it tracked and recorded anytime it does get done.
JoveBishop
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-05-04 15:28:09 UTC
Weren't they given for free to begin with?
Rest is just market speculation that can always go both ways.

Give nothing in return CCP. Don't add to the insult to everybody who didn't have DEV friends giving them out under the table in the first place.
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