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Warning! If you are training Combat Drone Operation, STOP NOW!
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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2014-05-04 21:58:57 UTC
They really should just change SDO -> LDO and CDO -> MDO.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Pubbie Spy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-05-04 22:19:17 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
They really should just change SDO -> LDO and CDO -> MDO.

Stop making sense.
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#43 - 2014-05-04 22:57:26 UTC
so you're saying i trained a 10d skill on 6 accounts (2 months total training time) due to a dev blog... but now that's all gone, my time was wasted, and also, they are straight up removing that skill itself from the game and not reimbursing the sp?

that sounds like wasted sp then, aka wasted training time... that's not right at all
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-05-04 23:11:45 UTC
I trained it long before the devblog.
I still have no clue whether I should be upset about wasted training time or not.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2014-05-04 23:16:58 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I trained it long before the devblog.
I still have no clue whether I should be upset about wasted training time or not.

is ccp changing something --->yes---> you are outraged
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you are outraged
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#46 - 2014-05-04 23:19:48 UTC
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
so you're saying i trained a 10d skill on 6 accounts (2 months total training time) due to a dev blog... but now that's all gone, my time was wasted, and also, they are straight up removing that skill itself from the game and not reimbursing the sp?

that sounds like wasted sp then, aka wasted training time... that's not right at all

You will have more SP after the change than before the change. I.E. There is no wasted SP.
Combat Drone is getting split into 2 skills. & you will get both at the level of Combat Drone

However due to edge cases where someone didn't train Combat Drone Operation but was using T2 drones (Terribly obviously but hey) they also are allowing Scout drone skills to transfer as an instead option.

But you do not loose SP so no need to compensate. In every case you get more SP.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-05-04 23:23:24 UTC
Except the people who trained CDO 5 are getting something they already trained for, whereas those who only had SDO 5 are getting a lot more.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#48 - 2014-05-04 23:30:58 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Except the people who trained CDO 5 are getting something they already trained for, whereas those who only had SDO 5 are getting a lot more.

Agreed. In this case I think CCP shouldn't follow their default and simply make people train CDO 5 or not get access to Tech 2 Drones after the update. It's only a 4 day train, there is a month left still, and it's not without precedent for them to not gift free skills to people.
But not getting as big a present is not the same thing as loosing things.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#49 - 2014-05-04 23:48:34 UTC
Ah I understand now, thank you everyone for clarifying. I've had them both at 5 for months now though so vOv doesn't impact me.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#50 - 2014-05-05 00:00:46 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
so you're saying i trained a 10d skill on 6 accounts (2 months total training time) due to a dev blog... but now that's all gone, my time was wasted, and also, they are straight up removing that skill itself from the game and not reimbursing the sp?

that sounds like wasted sp then, aka wasted training time... that's not right at all

You will have more SP after the change than before the change. I.E. There is no wasted SP.
Combat Drone is getting split into 2 skills. & you will get both at the level of Combat Drone

However due to edge cases where someone didn't train Combat Drone Operation but was using T2 drones (Terribly obviously but hey) they also are allowing Scout drone skills to transfer as an instead option.

But you do not loose SP so no need to compensate. In every case you get more SP.

if there was no need to train it, i wasted training time. not hard to understand.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#51 - 2014-05-05 00:03:50 UTC
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
if there was no need to train it, i wasted training time. not hard to understand.

Why? Is the skill not working at the moment? Are you not gaining any benefit from it already?
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2014-05-05 00:13:55 UTC
Sure you are getting a benefit from it. But you could be training something else in that time instead and be getting a benefit for *that* instead.
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#53 - 2014-05-05 00:18:03 UTC
Dalloway Jones wrote:
Sure you are getting a benefit from it. But you could be training something else in that time instead and be getting a benefit for *that* instead.

pretty much this. i wasted a collective 60d on **** i didn't need due to an erroneous devblog
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#54 - 2014-05-05 00:26:15 UTC
Dalloway Jones wrote:
Sure you are getting a benefit from it. But you could be training something else in that time instead and be getting a benefit for *that* instead.


Choices --> consequences/benefits.

It was your choice. If you only just trained either of those skills to level 5 (I did too. Just finished CDO to 5 a few days ago), then ok. It's not wasted time and it was your choice to do so.

The information during the lead up to an expansion is often subject to change. I speculated that training CDO to 5 would be good for me, but it turns out that maybe my judgement was wrong because something subject to change, changed.

If you want to be immune to these types of things, then train skills not part of the rebalancing/nerfs/buffs/etc. as part of an expansion.
Ivy greene
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-05-05 00:28:39 UTC
Oh gee, more training. And I thought I was done with drone skills Ugh

I've been told I'm somewhat famous, no idea why...

http://themittani.com/features/alod-you-cannot-jump-here
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2014-05-05 00:31:24 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dalloway Jones wrote:
Sure you are getting a benefit from it. But you could be training something else in that time instead and be getting a benefit for *that* instead.


Choices --> consequences/benefits.

It was your choice. If you only just trained either of those skills to level 5 (I did too. Just finished CDO to 5 a few days ago), then ok. It's not wasted time and it was your choice to do so.

The information during the lead up to an expansion is often subject to change. I speculated that training CDO to 5 would be good for me, but it turns out that maybe my judgement was wrong because something subject to change, changed.

If you want to be immune to these types of things, then train skills not part of the rebalancing/nerfs/buffs/etc. as part of an expansion.

I trained CDO long before this expansion was ever announced.
I trained it because it provided benefits to me.
If those benefits are then given to people who did not train the skill, then I should be reimbursed in some way for having trained the skill.
It's pretty simple.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#57 - 2014-05-05 00:39:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I trained CDO long before this expansion was ever announced.
I trained it because it provided benefits to me.
If those benefits are then given to people who did not train the skill, then I should be reimbursed in some way for having trained the skill.
It's pretty simple.


I liked your earlier post where:

SDO --> LDO and CDO --> MDO

That's seems so obvious a choice that I even wonder how anything else could occur.

I also have no problem with players who trained it long ago seeing some inequity in the way it seems to have been changed.

What I don't have much sympathy for is people who decided to train this just recently because they saw a potential advantage as a result of the devblog, now whining because the original information changed. We know that's always likely around an expansion because often the information is released in order to obtain early community feedback.

I hope Rise/Fozzie or whoever on the Devteam reads your earlier post and recognises the inherent sense of it. That would seem to be equitable to everyone, whether you trained it long ago, or like me, trained CDO to 5 just recently.
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2014-05-05 00:57:18 UTC
Personally I caught the change in the discussion portion of the dev blog so I made sure all my alts have scout drone trained to 5. I could see where people who had trained Combat drone (either a long time ago or as a result of the dev blog) would be annoyed and want a refund if the skill is simply going to disappear now.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#59 - 2014-05-05 01:42:50 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:

I trained CDO long before this expansion was ever announced.
I trained it because it provided benefits to me.
If those benefits are then given to people who did not train the skill, then I should be reimbursed in some way for having trained the skill.
It's pretty simple.

You have received those benefits. +10% drone damage for that entire time you had trained it. Hell, I've even seen you use that same argument yourself on other things. Seriously.....
CDO is NOT vanishing. CDO is splitting into 2 skills.
SDO is being renamed.

There is just a weird Niche case where SDO is renamed and becomes 2 additional skills as well.

But at no point is CDO being deleted. And at no point do you ever loose SP.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2014-05-05 04:16:18 UTC
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
so you're saying i trained a 10d skill on 6 accounts (2 months total training time) due to a dev blog... but now that's all gone, my time was wasted, and also, they are straight up removing that skill itself from the game and not reimbursing the sp?

that sounds like wasted sp then, aka wasted training time... that's not right at all


Fortunately, it's a load of bull. Every time that CCP removes skills from the game, at the very least, they reimburse the SP trained into those skills. Anyone who says otherwise is fear-mongering, and wasting your time.