Player Features and Ideas Discussion

this is a common misconception. Any T2 BPO is far better if you sell it than if you actually use it.

Yes it nets you a fair profit margin but it isnt as much ISK as you would think, and it locks you into one single thing ever. It also ties up a METRIC TON of ISK in one object that could/should make you much more ISK with other investments. Also getting a T2 BPO is a huge risk; what if the item in question gets nerfed? What if something gets buffed and becomes better than what you make?

Lets look at the actual numbers for a fairly popular ship: the Vagabond

The vagabond sells for around 160,000,000 in jita all day. assuming perfect manufacture (duh) and ME/PE level 20

The build cost is around 116 million ISK giving you a nice profit margin, but you can only produce a max of 1 every 28.75 hours meaning you still only make around 1 billion ISK a month.

The last vagabond BPO that came up on the market had a bid of 200 billion ISK for it. Thats 16 years worth of manufacturing the darn thing!

TL;DR
T2 BPOs are worth more sold than produced from, and anyone who is currently holding on to them is either a collector or a moron.

EVE doesn't have matchmaking, and I like it that way.

Looking at the value of the BPO is pointless in my opinion. What you should look at is the fact that every single BPO holder can undercut any invention result as much as they desire. They don't even need to dominate the market, they can just constantly put their cheap products into the market to keep invention barely profitable, while still making good money. That is the problem of the T2 BPOs, not the fact that they are expensive to acquire or that you need to make a lot of money to get the ROI.

Or at least some decryptors that allow you to invent into the positive ME/TE values. ME1/2 is already enough to gain massively over ME-1. Of course these decryptors would be expensive depending on how often they drop, but it would also be an easy way to give 00/Low sec a better distinction over High sec, it would increase Exploration earnings with reasonable new items and Inventors had a chance to gain more profits.

AWESOME!

This is another troll post, that was never said, please stick to the topic...infact can we get ISD to go ahead and edit his post?

LOL, who said all parties need to have an acceptable solution. Get rid of the damn things. They are unfair.

Give them enough copies on their BPOs for like 2 months* of production and be done with it.

* pick whatever time scale you want.

So you're telling me that if I gave you a choice between a vagabond BPO and 200 billion ISK right now, you'd take the vagabond BPO? because thats the choice BPO holders make every day. There are dozens of people with more money than math credits who are chomping at the bit to get a T2 BPO for ridiculous prices.

Im assuming your goal is to make the most money fastest, and T2 BPOs are not the way to do that. In fact, if you have a T2 BPO the way to make the most ISK fastest is to sell it and get into trading.

you are fighting a losing battle, These people have never owned a t2 bpo. They don't know except for a few isk printing ones these are not the great things they make them out to be. I know of many ships unloved for years the t2 owner got no bene's.....no one was buying them in droves. We can also bring in the great named gear vs t2 mod whining debates. Some items as we know you'd be better off named gearing it. here we see many t2 owners not making out. Smart inventors don't even bother here, they are already a leg up on the t2 owner lol. If original owners like you said, they dumped lots of rp for that BPO not worth much.


I was a t2 bpo owner, twice. Bought mine. They made more isk flipping than making. My spreadsheets for profitablility factored in cost of bpo buy for ROI. They do no know how slowly that cost chips away. Especially when market shifts or you get the "free stuff" (cores, mins, decryptors, etc) builders flooding the market. Or you get the builders who are on a bad string of luck and suck up losses to quicksell to liquidate some isk for other ideas they have.

I sold mine when one day I realied you know....my invention spamming was better isk.


It's been said ccp will pull these above it seems. I will laugh when for some they realize this won't be the windfall they think it is. I have seen this firsthand. I several times have said don't invent/build in markets with t2 bpo's. I followed my own advice. Some days making blops paid me well. Other times....I had no clue how the hell other blops makers were making any isk as their prices had me all kinds of confused. As their prices had me going jsut what the hell were you cutting off the build cost.