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What are these ants I keep finding around my house?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-05-04 05:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
I'm too low-tech to provide a photograph. Let me describe them:

Firstly, I live in Olympia, Washington, USA. if you also live in olympia and want to meet up, the answer is NO

They are just over a centimeter in length, maybe 12mm or so (I'm eyeballing it). One of the biggest ants I've ever seen, personally. They are about as big as a carpenter ant or even larger--but I suspect not a carpenter ant because they have a small head.

They are a solid black color, slightly shiny, no hint of brown. They have a smooth, hairless exoskeleton.

Carpenter ants are the same coloration, but (in my experience) have a very large, wide, flat head with large and powerful jaws. These ants have a large, elongated abdomen that is about 45% of the length of the ant, and the width of the abdomen is about 50% of the length of the abdomen. The thorax is elongated like in most ants, but is moderately large, kind of like a wasp. The thorax is about 2/3rds of the remaining length of the ant and nearly as wide as the abdomen. The head is relatively small, about a quarter the size of the thorax--half the length but equal in width, and flat like a typical ant or wasp head. Its jaws are small for an ant--they remind me of the jaws of a paper wasp. Its profile is straight like most wasps or some ants, not crooked like a lot of ants are.

Now I haven't looked very closely at hymenopteran jaws much before, but I've never noticed any small appendages behind the main jaw structures. This ant has several tiny almost hair-like movable appendages behind its jaws which it presumably uses to manipulate its food. Maybe all ants and wasps have these and I just never noticed. But on these they are pretty easy to spot.

I'm pretty sure it is an ant and not a wingless wasp. They have noI don't see any wing base on the thorax, even vestigial. There is no visible stinger, and the back of the abdomen is round and smooth. Actually the whole abdomen is rounded and smooth, for that matter.

The legs are fairly ant-like but a bit smaller compared to body size than I see in most ants. They are splayed out pretty evenly in all directions, the rear set being longest and extending out just as far as the abdomen. The front set extend just as far as the jaws. The middle set extend nearly straight out to the sides. The middle and rear sets are attached to the back of the thorax, while the front set are attached to the front of the thorax. I think this is normal for ants or even all hymenopterans perhaps. The legs extend perhaps 1.5 body widths to either side.

Its feelers are pretty standard for an ant.

I'm at a loss as to what kind of ant this is. Other people are saying it's a carpenter ant, but all my experience with carpenter ants and all the images I find of them on the internet tells me it is not a carpenter ant, or at least it is a rather odd variety if it is. Anyone able to shed some light on what this might be?

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#2 - 2014-05-04 05:23:58 UTC
Well my quick google search says there are 3 common ants in your area. The carpenter ant, odorous house ants, and moisture ants. The moisture ants are typically yellow according to my quick reasearch so it will likely be the odorous house ant if you are sure it is not one of the different 'types' of carpenter ants..ie drone, worker, guard...then there is a good chance it is the odorous house ant.

That is about all I am good for.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-05-04 06:22:06 UTC
We call those little things sugar ants. They are much too small to be what I'm finding. I know sugar ants or "odorous house ants" well.

I've discovered that carpenter ants have a wide variety of species, over 1000 in their genus. So far, none of the carpenter ant species I've looked up match the description of these, but not all of them have as large a head as I remember. The main difference I see between these ants and the carpenter ants I'll supposedly see in Washington is the length of the abdomen. Guides (like the one you linked) are suggesting the abdomen length to be no more than 35% of the entire body length of the ant.

So I think this is probably some kind of carpenter ant after all, but not any of the common types.

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Arctic Light
#4 - 2014-05-04 07:55:32 UTC
What ever the species you better get rid of them fast.
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Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-05-04 11:11:43 UTC
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#6 - 2014-05-04 12:29:57 UTC
It's possible that the two of them have breed together and made a hybrid ant. Then again, I'm not a bug specialist, so I might be talking out my rear end.

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Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#7 - 2014-05-04 13:26:18 UTC
is there a possibility that they are queen ants ?

What is the weather like where you are ? Some ants don't really hibernate, especially ones that live under or near houses, as the warmth from the house keeps them active, so the ants continue to reproduce throughout the year, and queens emerge at all sorts of times, not just late summer.

Maybe capture one and put it in a jar of soil to see if it constructs a burrow. That might tell you if it's a queen.

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#8 - 2014-05-04 13:47:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
We call those little things sugar ants. They are much too small to be what I'm finding. I know sugar ants or "odorous house ants" well.

I've discovered that carpenter ants have a wide variety of species, over 1000 in their genus. So far, none of the carpenter ant species I've looked up match the description of these, but not all of them have as large a head as I remember. The main difference I see between these ants and the carpenter ants I'll supposedly see in Washington is the length of the abdomen. Guides (like the one you linked) are suggesting the abdomen length to be no more than 35% of the entire body length of the ant.
So I think this is probably some kind of carpenter ant after all, but not any of the common types.


I am no entomologist but I do like bugs. Sugar ant seems to be a term used for carpenter ants and/or odorous house ants in the Pacific North West. According to some department within Washington State University.

I did find this page, but it is for Florida. I navigated a bit but could not find a similar page dedicated towards Washington State or the Pacific North West. That could be due to the huge disparity between total number of species between the two areas and that whatever ants that are present in the Pacific North West are probably found in the Northern Parts of Florida and most fo the US. I did read some Q&A stuff on one of the guys blogs and they are legitimate so I am sure you could get a solid answer on their boards.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#9 - 2014-05-04 15:02:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:


I'm at a loss as to what kind of ant this is. Other people are saying it's a carpenter ant, but all my experience with carpenter ants and all the images I find of them on the internet tells me it is not a carpenter ant, or at least it is a rather odd variety if it is. Anyone able to shed some light on what this might be?



It's just a damned ant, for sakes. Kill it with fire Lol

Despite coming from the backwoods of Arkansas, I've seen insects here in Florida I have no idea what they are. I mean, not even knowing what kind (beetle, fly, weird ant, etc). There is just not even any guessing.

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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#10 - 2014-05-04 15:31:10 UTC
Currently fighting a ghost ant problem here. Nothing has worked short of burning the house down.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#11 - 2014-05-04 15:34:38 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Currently fighting a ghost ant problem here. Nothing has worked short of burning the house down.


My older sister just spent FOUR MONTHS trying everything possible to get rid of a rat. Took up living inside the refrigerator housing. It was finally stopped in a trap cage, with no clue as to what lured it out finally.

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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#12 - 2014-05-04 15:38:22 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Commissar Kate wrote:
Currently fighting a ghost ant problem here. Nothing has worked short of burning the house down.


My older sister just spent FOUR MONTHS trying everything possible to get rid of a rat. Took up living inside the refrigerator housing. It was finally stopped in a trap cage, with no clue as to what lured it out finally.


Well if I ever get a rat/mice. I think my dog, which is a Rat Terrier will take care of them. Lol
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2014-05-04 16:27:36 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Commissar Kate wrote:
Currently fighting a ghost ant problem here. Nothing has worked short of burning the house down.


My older sister just spent FOUR MONTHS trying everything possible to get rid of a rat. Took up living inside the refrigerator housing. It was finally stopped in a trap cage, with no clue as to what lured it out finally.


Well if I ever get a rat/mice. I think my dog, which is a Rat Terrier will take care of them. Lol



They did "borrow" a neighbors cat for a few days, but it spent nearly the whole time just staring at the fridge. The thing just would not emerge, even in the middle of the night.

Even though they could clearly see it in the cage when finally caught, it was almost hard to believe.

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Aspalis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-05-04 16:28:23 UTC
Donuts on the floor is how you get ants.

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stoicfaux
#15 - 2014-05-04 17:12:42 UTC
Termite? Are the antenna straight or elbow shaped? (No wings could mean its a nymph.)

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#16 - 2014-05-04 17:57:00 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


Despite coming from the backwoods of Arkansas, I've seen insects here in Florida I have no idea what they are. I mean, not even knowing what kind (beetle, fly, weird ant, etc). There is just not even any guessing.


In my time down there I took so many pictures of kick ass insects, flora, root systems, mammels, amphibians..... Living south of Boca Raton was like living in my own National Geographic magazine/episode Big smile
Adunh Slavy
#17 - 2014-05-04 18:16:35 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Currently fighting a ghost ant problem here. Nothing has worked short of burning the house down.



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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#18 - 2014-05-04 19:52:57 UTC
Why not just ask the ant?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-05-04 21:34:42 UTC
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
is there a possibility that they are queen ants ?

What is the weather like where you are ? Some ants don't really hibernate, especially ones that live under or near houses, as the warmth from the house keeps them active, so the ants continue to reproduce throughout the year, and queens emerge at all sorts of times, not just late summer.

Maybe capture one and put it in a jar of soil to see if it constructs a burrow. That might tell you if it's a queen.
Excellent point, in fact I think you solved the problem. Apparently the queens and males have smaller heads in proportion to their bodies. Carpenter ant colonies are known to have multiple queens that are intolerant of each other. And as you pointed out, the workers may not need to be seen outside, but that doesn't mean the queens won't come out.

But best of all, have a look at this. That is, as far as I can tell, exactly what I've been seeing.

The question remains, then, why there are multiple queens running around making themselves easy targets? But I'm pretty satisfied that what I have here is a carpenter ant queen.

stoicfaux wrote:
Termite?
Nobody who knows what a thorax is would EVER mistake a termite for an ant. Ants would more easily be mistaken for spiders, even though that would be like mistaking a horse for a squirrel.

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Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#20 - 2014-05-04 22:28:24 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
is there a possibility that they are queen ants ?


The question remains, then, why there are multiple queens running around making themselves easy targets? But I'm pretty satisfied that what I have here is a carpenter ant queen.


Ant wars, maybe. between different species.

Or the colony's old queen died, and there's a power struggle between all the immature queens, and they're all dispersing to set up new colonies or something.

Ant politics can be really quite interesting.

There's this species of ant that burrows in the gaps between paving slabs on sidewalks in cities, and rival ant hives will go to war against each other over control of resources, with pitched battles between hundreds of ants at a time, on the sidewalk, with thousands of casualties.

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