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The Ultimate Solution to the T2 BPO Problem Announced by CCP

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Master Flakattack
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2014-05-03 19:05:02 UTC
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work?

Primary method for most T2 items to enter the game is Invention, which creates T2 BPCs.

T2 BPOs were handed out in a series of lotteries years ago, and CCP later decided Invention was a better way to bring T2 items into game and said they would never release T2 BPOs again.

This has been a long time coming, but I can't blame anyone who bought a T2 BPO later for being a bit miffed. It's kind of ridiculous to have something like that just plain deleted.
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#42 - 2014-05-03 19:05:09 UTC
WTS! 1 T2 bpo for a gazzillion iskies! Big smile

Just transfer the money. Blink
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-05-03 19:06:27 UTC
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Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#44 - 2014-05-03 19:07:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Revman Zim
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work?


Look up "INVENTION".

That is how it works, except for the few OLD RICH vets that were gifted BPO's by their Dev friends.

So, yeah. This should have been fixed A LONG TIME ago. It makes total sense for this to be addressed during a major industry rebalance. Yes their will be whining... but it is from the 1%ers... so **** them.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#45 - 2014-05-03 19:08:48 UTC
Revman Zim wrote:
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work?


Look up "INVENTION".

That is how it works, except for the few OLD RICH vets that were gifted BPO's by their Dev friends.


You know how we know you don't know how the BPO lottery worked.




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Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2014-05-03 19:14:05 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Revman Zim wrote:
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work?


Look up "INVENTION".

That is how it works, except for the few OLD RICH vets that were gifted BPO's by their Dev friends.


You know how we know you don't know how the BPO lottery worked.






http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=2_7&page=4

Yeah. and this is just what was made public. I am sure there were more hidden favoritism.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#47 - 2014-05-03 19:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Revman Zim wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Revman Zim wrote:
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work?


Look up "INVENTION".

That is how it works, except for the few OLD RICH vets that were gifted BPO's by their Dev friends.


You know how we know you don't know how the BPO lottery worked.




http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=2_7&page=4

Yeah. and this is just what was made public. I am sure there were more hidden favoritism.


Do you have any proof of such favoritism? I'm not saying it could not happen, but if you are going to make that kind of accusation without passing out tinfoil first, I'd suggest a better argument based on less unfounded jealousy and/or hysteria. That matter was addressed a long time ago.

What about the 99.99% of the rest of the players who participated and who earned their BPOs fairly by grinding research agents and were lucky enough to draw one in the lottery. I had one once, and nobody gifted it to me or did me any favors.

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Eyrun Mangeiri
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-05-03 19:22:06 UTC
Master Flakattack wrote:
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work?

Primary method for most T2 items to enter the game is Invention, which creates T2 BPCs.

T2 BPOs were handed out in a series of lotteries years ago, and CCP later decided Invention was a better way to bring T2 items into game and said they would never release T2 BPOs again.

This has been a long time coming, but I can't blame anyone who bought a T2 BPO later for being a bit miffed. It's kind of ridiculous to have something like that just plain deleted.


Ah okay, thanks!

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2014-05-03 19:31:59 UTC
I seem to recall from somewhere that using T2 BPOs directly for manufacturing was still inferior to doing invention, and that really their only use was in copying jobs and selling the BPCs.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2014-05-03 19:36:55 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Revman Zim wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Revman Zim wrote:
Eyrun Mangeiri wrote:
T2 BPO gone = no more T2 stuff? Or how will it work?


Look up "INVENTION".

That is how it works, except for the few OLD RICH vets that were gifted BPO's by their Dev friends.


You know how we know you don't know how the BPO lottery worked.




http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=2_7&page=4

Yeah. and this is just what was made public. I am sure there were more hidden favoritism.


Do you have any proof of such favoritism? I'm not saying it could not happen, but if you are going to make that kind of accusation without passing out tinfoil first, I'd suggest a better argument based on less unfounded jealousy and/or hysteria. That matter was addressed a long time ago.

What about the 99.99% of the rest of the players who participated and who earned their BPOs fairly by grinding research agents and were lucky enough to draw one in the lottery. I had one once, and nobody gifted it to me or did me any favors.


Touched a nerve?

CCP knows that T2 BPO's are bad for the game. The majority of the player base knows it is a broken part of the game. They need to go, and I am glad that CCP is going to do this. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

And, I don't have to have a better argument or proof. This is the EVE online forums, not a court of law.
Tobin Shalim
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2014-05-03 19:48:13 UTC
Revman Zim wrote:


Touched a nerve?

CCP knows that T2 BPO's are bad for the game. The majority of the player base knows it is a broken part of the game. They need to go, and I am glad that CCP is going to do this. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

And, I don't have to have a better argument or proof. This is the EVE online forums, not a court of law.


*raises hand*

I, for one, don't think they're broken. I don't own a T2 BPO, nor do I have enough ISK to ever afford one, but they should straight up stay in the game, especially if the invention system will allow someone to come into the T2 production system on par with a T2 BPO owner. Wasn't that the whole point of invention in the first place?

Going in and erasing the assets of someone that either earned them or paid a big chunk of ISK on them is stupid on CCP's part especially since they tout the 'sandbox' nature of EVE. Arbitrarily erasing something like that (just that alone) and not providing some form of compensation really does ruin EVE and CCP's reputation.
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Forgers United
#52 - 2014-05-03 19:54:41 UTC
I wonder how would other people feel if someone came and just deleted their asset, probably the one they have biggest investment in.
For many industrialist deleting T2 BPOs would mean the same as for 0.0 alliance deleting titans. It would be also +- same loss according to ISK.
Yes, I own one. No, I dont think they break the game or something like that. Yes, it was a mistake to introduce them in the first place.
I wouldnt mind them deleted if CCP returns to me my investment, all of it. What would be the point of the game if someone could just delete your items, because someone doesnt like them anymore?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#53 - 2014-05-03 19:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Revman Zim wrote:


Touched a nerve?

CCP knows that T2 BPO's are bad for the game. The majority of the player base knows it is a broken part of the game.


Not actually, I don't own one anymore, and I understand just how well invention works.This is just a tired argument, no one seems to be able to state in clear terms what exactly is wrong or bad about T2 BPOs after invention was introduced that does not revolve around jealousy.

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mkint
#54 - 2014-05-03 19:58:05 UTC
Tobin Shalim wrote:
Revman Zim wrote:


Touched a nerve?

CCP knows that T2 BPO's are bad for the game. The majority of the player base knows it is a broken part of the game. They need to go, and I am glad that CCP is going to do this. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

And, I don't have to have a better argument or proof. This is the EVE online forums, not a court of law.


*raises hand*

I, for one, don't think they're broken. I don't own a T2 BPO, nor do I have enough ISK to ever afford one, but they should straight up stay in the game, especially if the invention system will allow someone to come into the T2 production system on par with a T2 BPO owner. Wasn't that the whole point of invention in the first place?

Going in and erasing the assets of someone that either earned them or paid a big chunk of ISK on them is stupid on CCP's part especially since they tout the 'sandbox' nature of EVE. Arbitrarily erasing something like that (just that alone) and not providing some form of compensation really does ruin EVE and CCP's reputation.

Invention can never match a BPO. Production from a T2 BPO less than half as much build materials as an invention build, not even counting the cost of doing the invention itself. That sucks. But where it's completely broken is where a single T2 BPO can completely shut down all invention for a particular item, if you've got the right BPO. That's just not acceptable, no matter how much you paid for that BPO.

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Oxide Ammar
#55 - 2014-05-03 19:59:26 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
I guess its time for all BPO T2 owners to start copying like there is no tomorrow :P copier machine is this way >>>> GOGOGO!


I loled so hard on this Big smileLolLol

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Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#56 - 2014-05-03 20:03:52 UTC
Revman Zim wrote:
http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=2_7&page=4

Yeah. and this is just what was made public. I am sure there were more hidden favoritism.

Funny thing though, a T2 BPO paid for that article. And the 233 other issues of the EVE Tribune. And since I have a 650mm Artillery Cannon II BPO I'm pretty sure that it wasn't favouritism because that one is shite.

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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#57 - 2014-05-03 20:12:46 UTC
Mr M wrote:
I have a 650mm Artillery Cannon II BPO I'm pretty sure that it wasn't favouritism because that one is shite.


I just lolled Lol
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#58 - 2014-05-03 20:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
mkint wrote:

Invention can never match a BPO. Production from a T2 BPO less than half as much build materials as an invention build, not even counting the cost of doing the invention itself. That sucks. But where it's completely broken is where a single T2 BPO can completely shut down all invention for a particular item, if you've got the right BPO. That's just not acceptable, no matter how much you paid for that BPO.


Exactly how many T2 BPOs do you believe there are in game, and which ones exactly can shut down all invention?

If a single BPO can shut down all invention, what does it tell you about demand for that particular item?

Have you actually done invention? A T2 BPO owner is limited on how many items he can make in a given time period. Inventors can create virtually unlimited runs that can be built simultaneously.

If there is a lot of demand for Ishtars (for instance) an you build Ishtars is it more advantageous to be able to manufacture them using 1 manufacturing slot, or 10 at once?

"That Sucks" sounds a lot like jealousy to me.

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2014-05-03 20:46:07 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
What I want to know is why a member of the goon economic warfare team is creating this thread at all.

What does he have to gain by it?
Trolling for tears?
Actually curious about the opinions of others after years of gloatingly stating "your opinion means nothing".

This entire post is completely out of character, and I am curious why it was created.


I don't think Goonswarm are the largest owners of T2 BPO;s and by no way do they own the most on a per char basis. I know a couple of the corps that are quite small and own many of these items. Many others are privately owned.

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Louise Beethoven
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2014-05-03 20:59:22 UTC
There's no way in hell CCP will inject hundreds of billions of ISK into the economy to refund BPOs which are hugely inflated in value.

This is going to create an armageddon of player tears. I can't wait.