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[Fanfest 2014] Moa, Condor, Typhoon (and now Diminix) redesigned.
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Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#101 - 2014-05-09 21:07:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasril Pux
Da Moleman wrote:
I must say the new designs look quite nice, but with the Moa I do like the old lopsided design just a bit better. The great thing about a lot of the Caldari ships, I feel , was the unique asymetry (sp?) they had. It gave them a readily recognizable aesthetic. Mins had duct- tape and bubble gum, Cals had A.D.D. , Quafed-up , ship designers with no depth perception and that was ok.

That being said, I still like the new designs. I just wish that both designs could co-exist ( if only for a time). Old blueprints and ships would retain original design and eventually be eliminated through use and attrition. Those that want the new design with old ships maybe could be offered a one-time refit to upgrade to the new design. This type of arrangement could keep everyone happy and create a whole new economic segment, "antique" spaceships.

Unfortunately, I do realize that this type of system will probably never materialize due to a myriad of technical reasons. I just wanted to ramble a bit.

Mission accomplished.


The myriad of technical reasons you are referring to is really up to the DEVs to determine. We can only speculate how difficult it would be to implement an antique ship market or customization. I have a thread to address this, so...
Don't give up!

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#102 - 2014-05-09 21:11:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr0000 Maulerant
So has anyone heard if they are -definitely- making the domi look like that this time? Is there any kind of official source for any of this?

Cause there are like 5 "redesigns" drawn up for that damn thing and somehow it still looks like a walrus in a garbage bag. If they aren't going to fix it i'd much rather train minmatar BS 5 to get that 'phoon.

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#103 - 2014-05-09 21:18:50 UTC
I don't particularly care for the new Moa look, but it certainly is much less hideous than the old one. The rest of the ships, however are pretty damn sweet.

On the subject of ship models though, I don't like the look of the Mordu's BS, to me it looks more like it should be a carrier with that pancake hull looking like it would fit a hangar and launchpad.
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#104 - 2014-05-09 21:28:19 UTC
New domi looks the same to me....

That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money....
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#105 - 2014-05-09 22:34:51 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
New domi looks the same to me....

The possible future one has a pointy nose and drone bay on the top.
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2014-05-09 22:41:09 UTC
Last Wolf wrote:
New domi looks the same to me....



That is because there is really nothing wrong with the old one. It is just getting cleaned up a bit and a few tweaks.
Boomtown Jones
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2014-05-09 23:20:13 UTC
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
So has anyone heard if they are -definitely- making the domi look like that this time? Is there any kind of official source for any of this?

Cause there are like 5 "redesigns" drawn up for that damn thing and somehow it still looks like a walrus in a garbage bag. If they aren't going to fix it i'd much rather train minmatar BS 5 to get that 'phoon.



"CCP_BunnyVirus

The modeling of the Domi started a few back already but because of priorisation its not finished, once we get more breathing room we will come back to it and finish it asap and bring it to you guys."


So realistically, maybe the first or second patch after Kronos?
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#108 - 2014-05-11 17:14:54 UTC
Xindi Kraid wrote:
I don't particularly care for the new Moa look, but it certainly is much less hideous than the old one. The rest of the ships, however are pretty damn sweet.

On the subject of ship models though, I don't like the look of the Mordu's BS, to me it looks more like it should be a carrier with that pancake hull looking like it would fit a hangar and launchpad.

I agree but I think with the new Moa, they tried to give it a similar essence to the old one while still making it look newer and more symmetrical and just more badass. At least that's the vibe I get when I look at it. They wanted to change it but not so drastically that it looks nothing like the old one. When I look at this new one it still screams "moa" but it's a much nicer refined version.

Holy Satanic Christ! This is a Goddamn Signature!
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#109 - 2014-05-11 17:42:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasril Pux
Dorian Tormak wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
I don't particularly care for the new Moa look, but it certainly is much less hideous than the old one. The rest of the ships, however are pretty damn sweet.

On the subject of ship models though, I don't like the look of the Mordu's BS, to me it looks more like it should be a carrier with that pancake hull looking like it would fit a hangar and launchpad.

I agree but I think with the new Moa, they tried to give it a similar essence to the old one while still making it look newer and more symmetrical and just more badass. At least that's the vibe I get when I look at it. They wanted to change it but not so drastically that it looks nothing like the old one. When I look at this new one it still screams "moa" but it's a much nicer refined version.


When I look at the new Moa it screams from the wounds it received from the beautiful snow angel cookie cutter that slammed down on it from on high. I don't think it's a terrible design or anything, but it really tramples on everything the old design represented. That was my favorite hull. I hate to see it lost. So I'm going to fight to get it back one way or another when it's gone.

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Skurja Volpar
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#110 - 2014-05-11 19:03:45 UTC
Typhoon is my favorite ship hull, and I've always thought if they changed it drastically I'd go apeshit, but I must say the new one looks pretty damn cool, a kind of phoon meets hel, but still a hardy space dustbin. God bless the art team.

Less happy with the moa, going to miss the little fella.
Olteonz Nava'el
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2014-05-11 20:52:58 UTC
What about the turd on a stick we all love(hate), Imicus?
Komodo Askold
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#112 - 2014-05-12 20:38:51 UTC
I'm really liking the new Typhoon and Dominix. They keep their general shape while getting new style. Love them!
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#113 - 2014-05-14 23:07:20 UTC
I dont like the need to make everythign simmetrical.

Simmetry soudns poor and bland and uninteresting.

Surely the moa was a bit TOO odd. But perfectly simmetrical ships sux. Even the antennas are symetrical :(

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#114 - 2014-05-15 20:34:29 UTC
I do like that Dominix. It still retains it's look but with a meaner looking nose to it.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#115 - 2014-05-15 22:29:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasril Pux
Kagura Nikon wrote:
I dont like the need to make everythign simmetrical.

Simmetry soudns poor and bland and uninteresting.

Surely the moa was a bit TOO odd. But perfectly simmetrical ships sux. Even the antennas are symmetrical :(


I agree. I just want to point out that if you look carefully at the bottom of the ship there is a tiny amount of asymmetry thrown in. An odd little nod to off balance design.

That aside, it's not really symmetry or asymmetry that makes a ship interesting. It's imagination. I've seen the imaginative original designs get watered down considerably. Especially in the Caldari line which is being redesigned under some kind of restrictive ship design doctrine which seems to throw out the abstract, horrid and cold irregularity of military efficiency in favor of aesthetic appeal. Sure, the new Moa is "cool," but it doesn't inspire my imagination. It looks like a luxury space yacht with guns, not a solid military weapon that is completely departed from human sympathy.

I am going to miss the old Moa like nothing else that has ever disappeared from this game. It offered a dark contrast, like jagged, black charcoal on a whitewash of elegance.

Once it's gone I will continue to fight for a way to bring it back with gratuitous self-promotion of my own thread regarding this issue. Assuming you can see it past the gratuitous developer stickys. Damn, those people have been busy!

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
CETA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
#116 - 2014-05-16 01:12:31 UTC  |  Edited by: CETA Elitist
Hasril Pux wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
I dont like the need to make everythign simmetrical.

Simmetry soudns poor and bland and uninteresting.

Surely the moa was a bit TOO odd. But perfectly simmetrical ships sux. Even the antennas are symmetrical :(


I agree. I just want to point out that if you look carefully at the bottom of the ship there is a tiny amount of asymmetry thrown in. An odd little nod to off balance design.

That aside, it's not really symmetry or asymmetry that makes a ship interesting. It's imagination. I've seen the imaginative original designs get watered down considerably. Especially in the Caldari line which is being redesigned under some kind of restrictive ship design doctrine which seems to throw out the abstract, horrid and cold irregularity of military efficiency in favor of aesthetic appeal. Sure, the new Moa is "cool," but it doesn't inspire my imagination. It looks like a luxury space yacht with guns, not a solid military weapon that is completely departed from human sympathy.

I am going to miss the old Moa like nothing else that has ever disappeared from this game. It offered a dark contrast, like jagged, black charcoal on a whitewash of elegance.

Once it's gone I will continue to fight for a way to bring it back with gratuitous self-promotion of my own thread regarding this issue. Assuming you can see it past the gratuitous developer stickys. Damn, those people have been busy!
irregular mass distribution, ship layout, and propulsion scales are the very model of military efficiency.
Hasril Pux
Red Cabal
#117 - 2014-05-16 01:23:14 UTC
You never know what's going on inside that ship. It could be that the irregularity fits the ships internal mass with the engines distributed to compensate with utmost efficiency. It's not like it's made for atmospheric flight or anything.

But if we want to talk about realistic efficiency in EVE of all places, then we should talk about all those engines constantly burning away, producing asstons of unnecessary heat.

If you like any of the older ship models (original artwork) better than the redesign of your favorite hull and don't want them to be lost forever, support ship customization and this feature request.
Claud Tiberius
#118 - 2014-05-16 02:34:50 UTC
I don't think I like the new Moa. There is too much emphasis on the "wing" size, and the smooth back that lowers down to the engine exhausts, I'm not really buying it. Maybe it has too much swan and not enough space "tankyness". It's hard to say when it gets finished, if I will like it more then the old Moa.

The Condor (and higher metas) looks much better, though stacking the missile turrets (on the wings), instead of putting them side-by-side, parallel with the wing was a bad decision. Then again, I think its silly to have massive extruding missile turrets on a small ship anyway. Still I am optimistic the ship will still look good. Unfortunately because it is a frigate, I don't think it will impact my experience very much.

The Typhoon looks awesome.
The Domi looks awesome.

They are both massive improvements.

Reflecting on this now, I am feeling a bit pissed off:

First in Rubicon, the crappy Golem-duck model, with broken wings. Now the not-so-great Moa swan. Meanwhile Minmatar and Gallente get two awesome and massive improvements (they are BS), the SOE are in a nice place and the upcoming Legion ships look like they will impress as well.

I feel like Caldari is moving in the opposite direction, trying to follow this animal theme, when instead they should go the same path as the Domi and Typhoon has. Less animal and more ship like.

Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.
Lashmur
Doomheim
#119 - 2014-05-16 08:32:22 UTC
I'd like to say, as someone that flies condor/crow/moa/gila on a regular basis, i think the new models are beautiful. Caldari are a military faction for gawd sakes, and they would definitely be designing ships with efficiency increasing in mind - eg. symmetry, and conformity. I think that the new designs look bad-ass, and will be buying a big stack of each shortly! Yes i understand how space works, and that symmetry and aerodynamic design are unnecessary, but i think that in terms of fluff, the designs fit in perfectly. +1 CCP
Speedkermit Damo
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2014-05-16 09:59:52 UTC
These new ship models look great, all of them.

Well done CCP!

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.