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Questions for CCP: Concerning the fallout from the Dust/Legion annouce

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Fiddlestax Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2014-05-03 08:18:17 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Fiddle, I'll agree that in an ideal world they would evolve DUST into something that will play equally well on both PC and on a PS4.

However if it's a choice between developing the game we all want to see, or remaining limited because you want to keep it on the PS3 / PS4 also, I'm sorry but I going to have to support their decision.

I agree personally that given all alternatives, that the PC was the proper choice for the game, especially from a business perspective. They have hundreds of thousands of players that are already willing to give them money and play their game. I am attempting to speak for the majority of the dust community in this post though, so I am drawing on a lot of the voices that I have heard. There are other much deeper implications and complaints that have been discussed in this this thread and on the dust boards however.
Fiddlestax Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#142 - 2014-05-03 08:22:05 UTC
I would like to thank most of the recent posters for coming up with good comments and reasonable counterpoints. Much better than the 00:00 crowd with their tear buckets.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#143 - 2014-05-03 08:36:36 UTC
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game

Nobody paid to play DUST.

It was very common among closed/open beta vets to buy a few SP boosters here or there. The price added up quickly.

im one of those your referring to there, i fail to see the issue here.

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#144 - 2014-05-03 08:45:49 UTC
Well the thing is for Dust, I don't see this changing anything for that. The reaction is full speculation. If the player base keeps playing and spending money, it moves forward. If the game community speculates themselves into rage quitting, the game dies. If enough rage quitting happens, well the negative speculation becomes self-fulfilling, the game shuts down due to lack of earned revenue over time.

It's not like the summer of rage where actual changes took place and direct actions performed. In this case CCP said they have further development plans for Dust and many in the Dust community decided to stir up fear, stir up trouble, drama queens, try to push the community into rage quitting over it. It's silly, and dangerous for the survival of Dust.

Even hardcore EQ1 players stuck it out when EQ2 was announced. They didn't all rage quit and let EQ die in flames. I was there, and the comparison of that to this is far far on another level. Is this because it's an f2p? or on a console? I don't know, but some of those threads in the Dusties forum are just over the top outrageous, just over speculation. Whatever the problem is, I hope it doesn't migrate to the Legion servers where some of us have been waiting for this game to be worked on ever since CCP dropped the mention that the SONY contract was only exclusive for one year. For this to hit Dusties as a surprise is absurd, really.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#145 - 2014-05-03 09:06:29 UTC
Webvan wrote:
Well the thing is for Dust, I don't see this changing anything for that. The reaction is full speculation. If the player base keeps playing and spending money, it moves forward. I


Dust has no player base. An MMO with peak 5k concurrency is an MMO which is going to be closed. The numbers that dust had would barely cover the costs of the hosting. Just ask David Reid, he presided over the shutting down over another FPS MMO - I know I was also there too, one of the many who lost their jobs.
Elayae
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
#146 - 2014-05-03 09:12:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Elayae
If CCP and we can raise ISK or $ for people in need. Well now is the time to aid those dust players that have been hit.

My guess is that we can help at least a few thousand dusties with a new pc rig able to play legion and / or sell their ps3 and / or a character and asset transfer (minimum deal) and / or give them something extra at being further then all the rest (not counting SP) in the new Eve: Legion.

If they don't, well why help people far away and not your closest ones, for that does not make sense to me.

-Ela
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#147 - 2014-05-03 09:20:48 UTC
Elayae wrote:
If CCP and we can raise ISK or $ for people in need. Well now is the time to aid those dust players that have been hit.

My guess is that we can help at least a few thousand dusties with a new pc rig able to play legion and / or sell their ps3 and / or a character and asset transfer (minimum deal) and / or give them something extra at being further then all the rest (not counting SP) in the new Eve: Legion.

If they don't, well why help people far away and not your closest ones, for that does not make sense to me.

-Ela

PLEX4DUST!

Literally. LOL
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#148 - 2014-05-03 09:32:30 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Well the thing is for Dust, I don't see this changing anything for that. The reaction is full speculation. If the player base keeps playing and spending money, it moves forward. I


Dust has no player base. An MMO with peak 5k concurrency is an MMO which is going to be closed. The numbers that dust had would barely cover the costs of the hosting. Just ask David Reid, he presided over the shutting down over another FPS MMO - I know I was also there too, one of the many who lost their jobs.

Dust isn't an mmo, just connected to one. Matches are limited in participation (still 16x16?). It doesn't have all the overhead a traditional mmo server does on many levels. Quake Live has survived and developed on fewer active players, it's not an mmo either. It's technical-heresy to call Dust an mmo. I've played a number of sub-based MMOFPS' for years, and I know a bit about server architecture for mmo's, hands on. Dust is no mmo and it's servers are nowhere close to as demanding as one.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#149 - 2014-05-03 10:05:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Money Makin Mitch
I haven't played Dust yet, don't own a ps3 and am not willing to buy a console for just 1 game.

I am however extremely excited about Legion, I am definitely going to be playing it and will probably recruit some IRL friends to start a corp.

Sucks for the ps3 owners, but the platform is too old, too constrained, and was holding the game back. I'm sure that Legion will eventually port over to ps4 though, and knowing CCP they won't leave their mercs behind in the dust - I'm sure they will port over the merc toons and sp.
Willie Horton
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#150 - 2014-05-03 10:15:13 UTC
Elayae wrote:
If CCP and we can raise ISK or $ for people in need. Well now is the time to aid those dust players that have been hit.

My guess is that we can help at least a few thousand dusties with a new pc rig able to play legion and / or sell their ps3 and / or a character and asset transfer (minimum deal) and / or give them something extra at being further then all the rest (not counting SP) in the new Eve: Legion.

If they don't, well why help people far away and not your closest ones, for that does not make sense to me.

-Ela


So you want to say that helping people that survived natural disaster ,is same like helping people that got butthurt over game?
I am sorry your game will not be so great in future ,but seriously is that so dramatic as people with their lives destroyed by natural causes.How you can even relate those two I cant even imagine.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#151 - 2014-05-03 10:19:26 UTC
Hehehe that is one of better trolls I have seen. Good job Elayae, good job.

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#152 - 2014-05-03 11:05:10 UTC
Welp.

.....................

Maybe with Legion I'll finally get to orbital strike somebody.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Cpt Numnutz Nuttingtons
State War Academy
Caldari State
#153 - 2014-05-03 11:16:51 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Still confused on how porting and working on Legion some how means the end of DUST on PS3. In a Announcement on the DUST website states that they will both have teams working on them respectively. If anything, in the way DUST paved the way for Legion, the Legion team could come up with things that can be incorporated into DUST and vica versa.

Again didn't see the stream so not entirely sure what was said, but seems like it is unnecessary paranoia.

The dust community was holding on to the vision of dust CCP was telling us would come true. The dust keynote was about legion....the keynote.

They are going to do some bug fixes for dust, so as it is now is how it shall remain, which is okay at best most would call it nasty names. No new content, no strengthening of the eve dust link, no pve, no market, no 32 v 32, no vehicle parity, no weapon parity, no shooting eve ships from the ground, no planetary conquest in null sec, they will probably remove features like FW and PC for legion as well as orbital strikes, and worst of all no monument to shoot.
The dust community knows its dead, the dream is what kept people interested. that's why everyone is burning their isk and assets before biomassing, as a sort of mourning. As soon as they announce no character transfer I'll be raising a glass before biomassing my self.

The most work dust will see is some bugs since mid uprising fixed. No new content generated from legion going to dust. The team working on legion is the team working on dust. This explains why there was so little being put out from the shanghai team, they weren't working on dust.....so why didn't they f****** tell us?

If I have to start from scratch (again) after a year of making my character I better get access to the legion closed beta.....oh wait.....well the NEW closed beta before everyone else to see what they have been spending all their time on that was suppose to be spent developing dust.

So a handful of mercs will probably come from dust to legion, and it will be flooded by master race queers and eve pilots. Meh at least we can stomp you into the ground, that's kind of a silver lining.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#154 - 2014-05-03 13:04:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
I would like to thank most of the recent posters for coming up with good comments and reasonable counterpoints. Much better than the 00:00 crowd with their tear buckets.



Nobody will miss you when you ragequit. No one cares when a member of the group that completely broke DUST starts whining that they can't play the game they, themselves, rendered unplayable.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#155 - 2014-05-03 15:22:21 UTC
Since I now have been able to watch the Dust514 Legion Keynote. I take back some of what I said and apologize to Atruin.

While I still think it is over hyped and that Dust will still be around for a few years, it does appear as if everything Dust was suppose to be will be in Legion. Though I don't blame CCP completely since there may have been limitations they were unaware of during development which made most things they promised impossible on PS3. Not to mention the fact that continuing development on Dust for the next few years would seem pointless since it will be a legacy console after next winter.

This however is partially CCPs fault for pushing PS3 with the possible idea of converting to PS4, which may still be possible even with Legion as they could scale down Legion for a PS4 version. Without knowing numbers on Dust, CCP may not see the value in continuing their push in consoles.

In short

Bad move on CCPs part, though not completely unexpected. If you like Dust how it is(with possible fixes) then it isn't dead, if you liked Dust due to possible long term potential/promises then yes it is.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Marsha Mallow
#156 - 2014-05-03 16:36:51 UTC
CCP comments here

This bit made me laugh, sorry
Quote:
1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?

If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon.

Considering there's a list here of people rage biomassing. I wonder how many people will be asking for their characters back :P

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#157 - 2014-05-03 16:42:56 UTC
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
What fallout?
Everything seems to be a-ok. :D




SSSSHHHHH!!!!!

We know noooothink!
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#158 - 2014-05-03 16:44:38 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
CCP comments here

This bit made me laugh, sorry
Quote:
1) What happens to my character, skills and stuff?

If Project Legion becomes something more than a prototype, we will not leave our DUST 514 players behind. You would be able to bring your character name, applicable skills/inventory, and other elements of progression with you. We are still working on the details and we will have more to announce soon.

Considering there's a list here of people rage biomassing. I wonder how many people will be asking for their characters back :P

that list of the biomassed made my day

Do you think soilent green will be a thing in pi now?
Marsha Mallow
#159 - 2014-05-03 16:57:07 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
that list of the biomassed made my day

From a CPM blog:
Quote:
I'll just note that for those biomassing your characters, you might want to keep them if you have any intention whatsoever of even trying out the Project when it become playable. You're just throwing away free **** by biomassing. For those that have already biomassed, be advised you can get them back via support ticket.

It is bad the way this has been handled, but nerdragers hysterically biomassing is frankly hilarious. I hope loads of them do it then start screeching when they realise it was a bit dumb.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Do you think soilent green will be a thing in pi now?

I'm not that old! Had to google that, and eww. Hope so!

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#160 - 2014-05-03 17:00:52 UTC
Ok, I think Ive caught up

So...

People are Biomassing because they have PS3s?

Is that right?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann