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Questions for CCP: Concerning the fallout from the Dust/Legion annouce

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Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#61 - 2014-05-02 22:33:24 UTC
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

You had to pay to play a game that is free to play?
Noriko Mai
#62 - 2014-05-02 22:34:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Noriko Mai
It was just for marketing and hype. Later in the stream CCP Seagul said "Everything player build should be destructible"

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#63 - 2014-05-02 22:38:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Alyth Nerun wrote:
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

You had to pay to play a game that is free to play?


SONY and CCP held a gun to their heads and everything.

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Noriko Mai
#64 - 2014-05-02 22:43:43 UTC
I've found a secret tape of Dust players arguing about CCP's decision. Exclusive video HERE

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Noriko Mai
#65 - 2014-05-02 22:46:36 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
And they had a micro-transaction event for SP THIS WEEK. Spend more money, get more SP. And then you can use the SP on.... nothing, because a lot of the players will be unable to make the move to PC. Cash grab.



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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#66 - 2014-05-02 22:50:04 UTC
So we might one day get a decent fps with reasonable eve integration? How exactly is that a bad thing? Granted, there's probably a long way to go before it becomes a serious competitor to planetside 2, this is a step in the right direction.

Also, thanks for beta testing it. Cool
Thead Enco
HR..
#67 - 2014-05-02 22:51:07 UTC
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
So you guys don't think that the lack of any significant dust announcments doesn't signal the end of dust? You really think they are going to develop two shooters simultaneously?

CCP is STILL selling Aurum boosters to those dusties that don't know about the announcements. Many of them will never be able to use their SP once it gets the PC port ( Gaming PCs are kind of expensive, as well as the alternatives to computers people find in smart phones and tablets)


you can build out a rig for about $700 cry harder
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#68 - 2014-05-02 23:34:13 UTC
FYI:

This thread is now the designated thread to consolidate discussion of the difficult situation resulting from the announcement of Project Legion. Any other threads on the topic will be locked as redundant. Please report them as you see them.

Anyway, carry on.

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Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2014-05-02 23:42:51 UTC
Ok, so My biggest concerns over this whole fiasco are.

1. How will CCP respond to this? Because being a dust player. Dust is dead at this point. Nobody wants to put time and energy into a game that will be canned soon.

2. Did the CPM know about it? (yes our crappy non voted in Dust version of CSM) Did they know that it was going to be canned? And if so, why didn't they tell us about it. (who cares about NDA when the game you are representing will be destroyed)

To me its just a REALLY big screw up on CCP. There are people who travelled to Iceland for DUST 514. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=159617

There is one of them.

What will you do now CCP? All you had left was the diehard fans, and now they will be leaving. I actually pulled out a glass and gave a small toast as I initiated the biomass process on my clones.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#70 - 2014-05-02 23:43:14 UTC
Still confused on how porting and working on Legion some how means the end of DUST on PS3. In a Announcement on the DUST website states that they will both have teams working on them respectively. If anything, in the way DUST paved the way for Legion, the Legion team could come up with things that can be incorporated into DUST and vica versa.

Again didn't see the stream so not entirely sure what was said, but seems like it is unnecessary paranoia.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#71 - 2014-05-02 23:43:43 UTC
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:

What will you do now CCP? All you had left was the diehard fans, and now they will be leaving. I actually pulled out a glass and gave a small toast as I initiated the biomass process on my clones.


If you already knew that all they left was the diehard fans, how on earth did this come as a surprise?

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CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
Deepwater Hooligans
#72 - 2014-05-02 23:46:35 UTC
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

Given the sad state of dust game play (I've been playing since closed beta, on the community and promises), it isn't really a stretch to say that dust is a legion beta.


Right, but it wasn't advertised as a beta for a future project. It was advertised as a full release once its own beta phase ended. Had it been advertised as a beta from the get-go, there might not be the level of rage we're seeing now.
Fiddlestax Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2014-05-02 23:49:27 UTC
We've had a lot of discussion internally about the developments of the day.

The biggest problem that we have as a community, is that the dust keynote didn't say enough about the future of the game we have been playing. There are too many unanswered questions, and the PR debacle that has come out of it(We have dust guys biomassing because of it), has brought an already weakly populated game to it's knees.

When do you plan on making the switch to Legion?
Is there going to be a PS4 version?
Are we going to be able to keep our assets/SP?
Are you pulling the plug on dust in the short term(Everyone in the dust community has interpreted lack of dust info at it's keynote as exactly that)?
How do you justify selling SP boosters to people that will not be able to play your game long term? The sales are STILL GOING.
Can we expect any new content to DUST? Are you going to fix the problems with what we already have at least?

CCP needed to answer ALL of these questions. The dust player base is evaporating right now. We have nothing to tell our guys but "Wait, maybe it will get better", which itself of what we were saying before fanfeset;"Just wait until fanfest, maybe they will fix it"
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#74 - 2014-05-02 23:51:02 UTC
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
Ok, so My biggest concerns over this whole fiasco are.

1. How will CCP respond to this? Because being a dust player. Dust is dead at this point. Nobody wants to put time and energy into a game that will be canned soon.

2. Did the CPM know about it? (yes our crappy non voted in Dust version of CSM) Did they know that it was going to be canned? And if so, why didn't they tell us about it. (who cares about NDA when the game you are representing will be destroyed)

To me its just a REALLY big screw up on CCP. There are people who travelled to Iceland for DUST 514. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=159617

There is one of them.

What will you do now CCP? All you had left was the diehard fans, and now they will be leaving. I actually pulled out a glass and gave a small toast as I initiated the biomass process on my clones.



i can only answer 2) OFC the CPM AND the CSM knew this. It was in the summer minutes for the CSM, thsi was the 'Fifth project' that was listed there. Unless they announce something tomorrow.

And they have to care about the NDA. Or ccp coudl have a) sued them into the ground. or b) no one else would have EVER given them access to NDA information again.

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Fiddlestax Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2014-05-02 23:52:50 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Still confused on how porting and working on Legion some how means the end of DUST on PS3. In a Announcement on the DUST website states that they will both have teams working on them respectively. If anything, in the way DUST paved the way for Legion, the Legion team could come up with things that can be incorporated into DUST and vica versa.

Again didn't see the stream so not entirely sure what was said, but seems like it is unnecessary paranoia.


They didn't show us anything that confirmed their commitment to dust. There is no way we could interpret it as anything but that they aren't. I just don't see them working on both simultaneously... They have had enough problems getting ONE of them to work, nevermind two.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#76 - 2014-05-02 23:52:51 UTC
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
Ok, so My biggest concerns over this whole fiasco are.

1. How will CCP respond to this? Because being a dust player. Dust is dead at this point. Nobody wants to put time and energy into a game that will be canned soon.

2. Did the CPM know about it? (yes our crappy non voted in Dust version of CSM) Did they know that it was going to be canned? And if so, why didn't they tell us about it. (who cares about NDA when the game you are representing will be destroyed)

To me its just a REALLY big screw up on CCP. There are people who travelled to Iceland for DUST 514. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=159617

There is one of them.

What will you do now CCP? All you had left was the diehard fans, and now they will be leaving. I actually pulled out a glass and gave a small toast as I initiated the biomass process on my clones.


second reply:

Here si the thing, if Legion is an improved Dust on PC, they will get more customers. So in theory, if they get double the people, then meh. I agree it was the wrong way to handle this. They either needed to admit tis dead, or show a transition, at least give you guys a big bone till legion is a sure thing.

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Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-05-02 23:53:38 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Still confused on how porting and working on Legion some how means the end of DUST on PS3. In a Announcement on the DUST website states that they will both have teams working on them respectively. If anything, in the way DUST paved the way for Legion, the Legion team could come up with things that can be incorporated into DUST and vica versa.

Again didn't see the stream so not entirely sure what was said, but seems like it is unnecessary paranoia.


Because they don't even know if they will be able to transfer characters over. And also it'd be like incarna, except instead of WiS. You get EVE 2.0, but it's on Mac OS only.

They took the playerbase that supported the game and kept it alive. And threw them under the Madrugar. Moving it to a different platform without even the promise of the time you spent being worth anything.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#78 - 2014-05-02 23:53:48 UTC
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Still confused on how porting and working on Legion some how means the end of DUST on PS3. In a Announcement on the DUST website states that they will both have teams working on them respectively. If anything, in the way DUST paved the way for Legion, the Legion team could come up with things that can be incorporated into DUST and vica versa.

Again didn't see the stream so not entirely sure what was said, but seems like it is unnecessary paranoia.


They didn't show us anything that confirmed their commitment to dust. There is no way we could interpret it as anything but that they aren't. I just don't see them working on both simultaneously... They have had enough problems getting ONE of them to work, nevermind two.


They showed that, rather than abandon the entire failing enterprise like they did with WoD, they are doing their best to keep it alive in some potentially sustainable form.

That's a kind of commitment.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#79 - 2014-05-02 23:58:06 UTC
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Still confused on how porting and working on Legion some how means the end of DUST on PS3. In a Announcement on the DUST website states that they will both have teams working on them respectively. If anything, in the way DUST paved the way for Legion, the Legion team could come up with things that can be incorporated into DUST and vica versa.

Again didn't see the stream so not entirely sure what was said, but seems like it is unnecessary paranoia.


Because they don't even know if they will be able to transfer characters over. And also it'd be like incarna, except instead of WiS. You get EVE 2.0, but it's on Mac OS only.

They took the playerbase that supported the game and kept it alive. And threw them under the Madrugar. Moving it to a different platform without even the promise of the time you spent being worth anything.

So....there's absolutely nothing from CCP stating that they're halting work on dust514? All of the characters you have on dust will remain in dust, what's the problem?

If legion is a separate entity from dust, why should there be any character transfer at all? If I *shudder* buy Call of Duty for the PS4 and then for the PC, I won't get to transfer all of my unlocked weapons/killstreaks/prestiges/whatever from PS4 to PC. Different platform and all that.
Fiddlestax Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2014-05-02 23:59:50 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Still confused on how porting and working on Legion some how means the end of DUST on PS3. In a Announcement on the DUST website states that they will both have teams working on them respectively. If anything, in the way DUST paved the way for Legion, the Legion team could come up with things that can be incorporated into DUST and vica versa.

Again didn't see the stream so not entirely sure what was said, but seems like it is unnecessary paranoia.


They didn't show us anything that confirmed their commitment to dust. There is no way we could interpret it as anything but that they aren't. I just don't see them working on both simultaneously... They have had enough problems getting ONE of them to work, nevermind two.


They showed that, rather than abandon the entire failing enterprise like they did with WoD, they are doing their best to keep it alive in some potentially sustainable form.

That's a kind of commitment.


They are committed to making a FPS, but they haven't showed a commitment to the community that populates their current one. A lot of pure eve players are happy about the move, and it makes sense from a business perspective. But the entire way this was gone about was wrong. They should not still be monetizing dust if it has no future. They NEED to make ALL of these things clear.