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Questions for CCP: Concerning the fallout from the Dust/Legion annouce

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Lady Areola Fappington
#181 - 2014-05-04 03:06:07 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:

Dust was "released" last year my friend. I played the beta as well.

In other news, Sony is doing refunds for AUR bought within the last few months, and I have heard of cases were they are doing a full refund for all dust related purchases over the years. I am going to call myself and see how that is going

The tears when people wake up to the fact that CCP responds to chargebacks with permabans will be glorious.


Not just permabans, my friend. CCP is well known for fighting chargebacks too. Most retailers won't go through the hassle of doing the paperwork, but CCP is a little different.

Bunny calls sony, demands refund. Sony says "5-7 days". Sony calls CCP, CCP provides proof of valid charges. Sony says "sorry lol nope".

It may be different with PSN, but I've seen a few "Lulz CCP U suk I'm getting a chargeback done. Lulz Got my money back CCP. OMGWTF why did my CC company take the money back and charge me $75 more per transaction SEE U IN COURT CCP!" They seem to miss the part about the refund being conditional on decision by the CC company.


Ye olde chargeback is not foolproof...most major merchants just chalk them up as a cost of doing business, and more expensive to fight than to let go.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#182 - 2014-05-04 03:19:26 UTC
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QXc-Ka65QI

From the dust community, what is left of it anyway.

That's excellent, that's for the link.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#183 - 2014-05-04 03:20:24 UTC
Aria Jimbojohnson wrote:
The funny part is, if CCP *does* transfer skills and assets over from DUST players to Legion, it will probably hurt their influx of new players. It could turn out like current DUST, where "vets" proto-stomp all of the newbies into such a bad experience that they consider the game a lost cause.

I have a feeling that will be a fairly major focus of "what to do differently in Legion" programming and design.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#184 - 2014-05-04 03:25:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

Given the sad state of dust game play (I've been playing since closed beta, on the community and promises), it isn't really a stretch to say that dust is a legion beta.


I'm a little confused as to why people are getting so upset over a game that is free to download and play?

This isn't minecraft where you literally paid for a beta that never got finished - you don't have to spend a dime and you're an idiot if you ever did.

I think we are mostly mad that we are idiots, talked ourselves into supporting dust and CCP, and now can't believe it when what was always going to happen actually happened. I stand among them, I put over 100$ dollars into CCP's wallet to fund this idea of theirs.

Look at it this way my friend.

Over a couple of years time span you spent a hundred bucks on your gaming hobby. Most of the folks here spend that much (or it's equivalent) on theirs over a period of a few months, without getting any "special" items out of it.

One other thing to consider, most PS 3 owners are about to find themselves in a similar situation with every game or franchise they enjoy playing, as game development for PS3 as a whole is going to taper off sharply in the very near future. You may even find that the development that CCP is still going to do for DUST ends up being some of the longest lasting support for the platform in the gaming industry. And note that they haven't ruled out an eventual port for the PS 4 in the future, which isn't nearly as unlikely as it would have been if they had literally no experience with console programming.

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Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2014-05-04 04:32:00 UTC
Console Peasant tears are delicious.

Now they know how we felt when CCP decided to spend 18 months of not doing anything with Eve. :)
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#186 - 2014-05-04 04:39:22 UTC
Dust has been decent. CCP tried something no other game company has ever dared to do. Break into a console market and tie it into the pc world.
Legion will be good.

Also RAGE!!!! in all honestly ps3 is dying out fast for the ps4. if CCP wants to keep dust they have to port it to ps4.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Aria Jimbojohnson
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2014-05-04 04:51:08 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Aria Jimbojohnson wrote:
The funny part is, if CCP *does* transfer skills and assets over from DUST players to Legion, it will probably hurt their influx of new players. It could turn out like current DUST, where "vets" proto-stomp all of the newbies into such a bad experience that they consider the game a lost cause.

I have a feeling that will be a fairly major focus of "what to do differently in Legion" programming and design.


If it's really the same team behind both games, I've believe that about 6 months after I see it.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#188 - 2014-05-04 04:55:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Aria Jimbojohnson wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Aria Jimbojohnson wrote:
The funny part is, if CCP *does* transfer skills and assets over from DUST players to Legion, it will probably hurt their influx of new players. It could turn out like current DUST, where "vets" proto-stomp all of the newbies into such a bad experience that they consider the game a lost cause.

I have a feeling that will be a fairly major focus of "what to do differently in Legion" programming and design.


If it's really the same team behind both games, I've believe that about 6 months after I see it.

Big smile
Fair point, but that same team were the first ones to point out the various flaws in DUST that they would like to focus on correcting in Legion.

One way to do it would be to handle it in a more EVE like fashion, where progression is less linear and vertical in power creep... and instead make progression allow new abilities instead of just becoming more powerful in a few. This way a relatively new player can become just as proficient (or very nearly so) at one thing as a seasoned vet, while the vet retains the advantage of being able to do many things well.

To do this, however, requires a vast range of abilities and equipment to master... which in turn requires a UI with enough depth and complexity to represent it all in an intelligent and easy to navigate way... which in turn requires a platform to run it all on that has a control scheme that can handle all that.

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Aria Jimbojohnson
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2014-05-04 06:34:44 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Aria Jimbojohnson wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Aria Jimbojohnson wrote:
The funny part is, if CCP *does* transfer skills and assets over from DUST players to Legion, it will probably hurt their influx of new players. It could turn out like current DUST, where "vets" proto-stomp all of the newbies into such a bad experience that they consider the game a lost cause.

I have a feeling that will be a fairly major focus of "what to do differently in Legion" programming and design.


If it's really the same team behind both games, I've believe that about 6 months after I see it.

Big smile
Fair point, but that same team were the first ones to point out the various flaws in DUST that they would like to focus on correcting in Legion.

One way to do it would be to handle it in a more EVE like fashion, where progression is less linear and vertical in power creep... and instead make progression allow new abilities instead of just becoming more powerful in a few. This way a relatively new player can become just as proficient (or very nearly so) at one thing as a seasoned vet, while the vet retains the advantage of being able to do many things well.

To do this, however, requires a vast range of abilities and equipment to master... which in turn requires a UI with enough depth and complexity to represent it all in an intelligent and easy to navigate way... which in turn requires a platform to run it all on that has a control scheme that can handle all that.


That's one of the main reasons why I'll have to see it to believe it. The current DUST team seems to have enough trouble making small updates without reintroducing terrible, terrible bugs that they've already fixed 9 times. Doing such a vast overhaul of the game, when they haven't really done much of anything in the year of "live", doesn't seem particularly likely to me.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#190 - 2014-05-04 07:13:34 UTC
From what I've seen most QQ comes from whiney brats who somehow have difficulties to grasp that PS3's story has ended.
All the SP, stuff and what ever is being ported to legion as it is so there shouldn't be any issues but it seems that most whining is that PS3 isn't going to be kept on forever by CCP ?
Second bwaaah is that legion is ported for PC and they don't seem to grasp that PC = PS 4 = lots of whining.

Well who would had guesses that PS3 would eventually be replaced (a hint everyone with half a brain).

Also what we should be whining on these forums is the fact the THEY on dust forums have "picture avatars" but we here on EVE side do not despite having the same forum software.
I Have 18Accounts
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#191 - 2014-05-04 08:01:31 UTC
Here's the real question for all DUST players: Why on earth were you expecting a PS3 game to have continuous development in the same way EVE does?

It might sound bitter but I blame DUST players for dedicating too much to DUST. The PS3 is a console and all consoles get replaced. Hence why the non-upgradeable nature of the console makes console gaming/gamers a complete joke.

When you buy a game on console, expect to play it for a couple years and that's that. Your expectations were the problem here.
flakeys
Doomheim
#192 - 2014-05-04 08:07:47 UTC
Welcome to SOE land .... Blink

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
#193 - 2014-05-04 08:09:26 UTC
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

Given the sad state of dust game play (I've been playing since closed beta, on the community and promises), it isn't really a stretch to say that dust is a legion beta.


I hate to say it but I can only be bothered to read this far down the first page.

However I will say this.
Good, for once console gamers did something useful.
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