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Dev blog: Fortune Favors the Bold

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-05-02 19:41:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
yes exactly as i predicted the green and red stripes make it go faster than the venture 45m/s

although it was a giveaway cos stripes make everything go faster
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
Hatakani Trade Winds Combine
#22 - 2014-05-02 19:42:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rovinia
This one doesn't have the "+2 warp core strength" Role bonus the Venture has, is that right? Not that i want to complain about it, the exchange for the Covert Ops Cloaking device is good enough and there has to be a way to gank these little rascals Blink

Just not sure if it's a mistake or intended.
mkint
#23 - 2014-05-02 19:42:39 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
mkint wrote:
Isn't this better than the venture in every possible way? I thought that wasn't supposed to be the point of T2 ships. It looks like the only way the venture is any better is in price, which, also, you said you weren't going to do any more.

that's dumb you're dumb

most t2 ships are flatly better than their t1 counterpart

T2 dessies have lower DPS and tanks than T1 dessies, as do blops and their counterparts. I haven't done a side-by-side of every ship, but I guarantee there's a devquote saying that T2 shouldn't completely obsolete T1's. Also devquotes saying that balancing solely on price is a stupid idea.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#24 - 2014-05-02 19:43:54 UTC
Thank God, we high sec players struggling already to make decent ISK / hr are getting "yet another high-sec nerf" (I should trademark that statement since we need it now about every 2 weeks.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#25 - 2014-05-02 19:46:15 UTC
Rovinia wrote:
This one doesn't have the "+2 warp core strength" Role bonus the Venture has, is that right? Not that i want to complain about it, the exchange for the Covert Ops Cloaking device is good enough. Just not sure if it's a mistake or intended.


You are correct, the Prospect doesn't have extra warp core strength, as the covert cloak handles that function.

Hope you guys enjoy these changes, I'm heading to the fight them pub crawl so I won't be answering questions tonight, but rest assured I will be back later to read everything.

Cheers!

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2014-05-02 19:48:41 UTC
mkint wrote:

T2 dessies have lower DPS and tanks than T1 dessies, as do blops and their counterparts. I haven't done a side-by-side of every ship, but I guarantee there's a devquote saying that T2 shouldn't completely obsolete T1's. Also devquotes saying that balancing solely on price is a stupid idea.

t2 destroyers (we are not babies here, we can pronounce words) have a completely unique role, as do blops

however the standard t2 ship is something like the ishtar (strictly better than the vexor) the mackinaw (strictly better than the retriever) etc

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Wendrika
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-05-02 19:51:09 UTC
Yay! With that ship I could go to Nullsec without looking like a juicy steak. And with the added Anomalies to Low Sec, I might just not need to!
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-05-02 19:51:54 UTC
So will the added Mexallon in Arkonor affect the importing of Mexallon into null sec? Will this give sov a greater sense of independence from other zones of space?

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#29 - 2014-05-02 19:54:28 UTC
mkint wrote:
Isn't this better than the venture in every possible way? I thought that wasn't supposed to be the point of T2 ships. It looks like the only way the venture is any better is in price, which, also, you said you weren't going to do any more.

edit: I guess this one doesn't have the built in warp core strength, but how frequently did that bonus ever actually come into play in the past?


It also doesn't have drones. And don't mock the core strength bonus on the Venture, that has saved my ass a few times in the past.
mkint
#30 - 2014-05-02 19:57:07 UTC  |  Edited by: mkint
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
So will the added Mexallon in Arkonor affect the importing of Mexallon into null sec? Will this give sov a greater sense of independence from other zones of space?

Why should any section of space at all be independent from any other section of space? No other section of space has that, including those sections higher-risk than in the big blue donut.

Owen Levanth wrote:
mkint wrote:
Isn't this better than the venture in every possible way? I thought that wasn't supposed to be the point of T2 ships. It looks like the only way the venture is any better is in price, which, also, you said you weren't going to do any more.

edit: I guess this one doesn't have the built in warp core strength, but how frequently did that bonus ever actually come into play in the past?


It also doesn't have drones. And don't mock the core strength bonus on the Venture, that has saved my ass a few times in the past.



Oh, I know for a fact that it does come in handy, I won't argue that. But what % of the times all the ventures undock is the bonus actually useful? Whereas a yield bonus is useful 100% of the time a mining ship undocks. Still considering if the drones makes a difference... it can tank nullsec belt rats, and has a yield bonus built in. Anyone know what the base align time is on a venture? I'd hope the prospect is less agile at least, giving the venture some survival advantage or help the yield/hour difference. or something.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2014-05-02 20:01:06 UTC
3 High slots but only 2 turrets?

Why won't you let me have 3 miners equipped!
Zeera Tomb-Raider
Vega Farscape
#32 - 2014-05-02 20:02:01 UTC
I like this ship.but the prize on it have to be low,if not way dont just keep jusing venture if the risk vs reward gose up and not down,next i hope you make a bc version with combat abileties to figth of any solo ganker in a frig T1-T2.im not sure way the cloack shud be ther, can it jump gate cloacked if so grate,cant mine cloacked so if you made ship imune to al warp jammers ship moduls not inincluding capital mods that be of grater help than the cloack i think.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#33 - 2014-05-02 20:04:45 UTC
Zeera Tomb-Raider wrote:
I like this ship.but the prize on it have to be low,if not way dont just keep jusing venture if the risk vs reward gose up and not down,next i hope you make a bc version with combat abileties to figth of any solo ganker in a frig T1-T2.im not sure way the cloack shud be ther, can it jump gate cloacked if so grate,cant mine cloacked so if you made ship imune to al warp jammers ship moduls not inincluding capital mods that be of grater help than the cloack i think.


Don't worry, my industry alt will make sure the prize is reasonable. Trust me.Lol
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2014-05-02 20:04:59 UTC
Darth Kilth wrote:
3 High slots but only 2 turrets?

Why won't you let me have 3 miners equipped!

because it fits a covops cloak

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2014-05-02 20:05:49 UTC
mkint wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
So will the added Mexallon in Arkonor affect the importing of Mexallon into null sec? Will this give sov a greater sense of independence from other zones of space?

Why should any section of space at all be independent from any other section of space? No other section of space has that, including those sections higher-risk than in the big blue donut.

"i know something about risk" said the npc alt

oh man that was a good one

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Kynric
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#36 - 2014-05-02 20:05:53 UTC
In before rant about "afk cloaky miners."
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-05-02 20:06:04 UTC
Lady Oremond wrote:
Why doesn't it have 3 turret slots?


Do you also ask why the stealth bombers don't have 4 launcher slots?

2 miners and a cloak. Seems like a bit of a no brainer to me.
mkint
#38 - 2014-05-02 20:07:23 UTC
Zeera Tomb-Raider wrote:
I like this ship.but the prize on it have to be low,if not way dont just keep jusing venture if the risk vs reward gose up and not down,next i hope you make a bc version with combat abileties to figth of any solo ganker in a frig T1-T2.im not sure way the cloack shud be ther, can it jump gate cloacked if so grate,cant mine cloacked so if you made ship imune to al warp jammers ship moduls not inincluding capital mods that be of grater help than the cloack i think.


covops cloak is one of the most powerful lowsec survival tools there is, especially on a frigate hull. Watch local, watch d-scan. No point of ship balance can cure stupid.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
mkint
#39 - 2014-05-02 20:10:38 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
mkint wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
So will the added Mexallon in Arkonor affect the importing of Mexallon into null sec? Will this give sov a greater sense of independence from other zones of space?

Why should any section of space at all be independent from any other section of space? No other section of space has that, including those sections higher-risk than in the big blue donut.

"i know something about risk" said the npc alt

oh man that was a good one

If you want a discussion about risk, I'm game for that. perception of risk =/= actual risk, and I think you know this, and like to maintain the misconception for your own benefit. However, that's off topic for this thread.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-05-02 20:11:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
oh, can we look forwards to having -100% cloak cpu role bonuses on covops and recons?

e: as this new ship has that bonus.