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Rock bottom?

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Matthias Navire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-05-02 02:37:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthias Navire
I'd like to propose a hypothetical scenario: 0 ISK.

Probably not literally, but I'm sure someone has managed to grind themselves down to nubbins like this at some point. Lets say your ships got blown, your trade deals went south, you're a pinata to every pirate in the cluster and you managed to spend every last ISK you had trying to retool and rebuild after each loss.

What happens? I know you get the starter, but what about modules? Guns and ammo? Are you reduced to running small courier missions? Do you beg for a handout? Do you go into the red?

The reason I ask is that I wonder about the whole risk/reward thing, and about just how hard it would be to build up from nothing. If it's not impossible I might just try some crazier things, rather than play it safe. So, what do you do when you risk everything and lose anyway?

Also, I started in the Gallentean federation, but I find I'm more into the Minmatar ships. Any way I can change the starter I get when I arrive shipless at a station?
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#2 - 2014-05-02 02:47:42 UTC
Grab your (always free) noobship and start running lvl 1 missions?

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Despite being Gallente there's nothing at all stopping you from training into Matari ships, or any other race. But as for your question, are you referring to the free noobship that spawns when you dock shipless in station? Because if so then race doesnt really matter, they're all pretty much the same thing.

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-05-02 03:00:01 UTC
I dunno, a lot of the big ISK income depends on skills. With less than 100 mil I could set up my PI network again as well as invest in a mining barge. Each rookie ship comes with a civilian miner attached so ammo is only a few cycles away.
Matthias Navire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-05-02 03:02:02 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
I dunno, a lot of the big ISK income depends on skills. With less than 100 mil I could set up my PI network again as well as invest in a mining barge. Each rookie ship comes with a civilian miner attached so ammo is only a few cycles away.


A civ miner? No one mentioned that.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2014-05-02 03:17:06 UTC
If I lost *everything*, I'd run one of the training mission arcs I hadn't previously done in a noobship and got a destroyer from it (as well as a Venture, several frigates and modules).

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Dani Dusette
Division 13
#6 - 2014-05-02 03:21:26 UTC
Could just buy a PLEX and sell it on the market.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#7 - 2014-05-02 03:21:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
The only thing that scares me about 0 ISK is not having an awesome story to tell about it.

With a rookie ship, I expect I can be back in the billions in no time. I've learned how to earn ISK. I have many skills. I have high standing with many corps and factions.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-05-02 03:38:42 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
The only thing that scares me about 0 ISK is not having an awesome story to tell about it.

With a rookie ship, I expect I can be back in the billions in no time. I've learned how to earn ISK. I have many skills. I have high standing with many corps and factions.

Unless he got podded repeatedly in an alpha clone and is a pirate.P

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Candi LeMew
Division 13
#9 - 2014-05-02 03:45:29 UTC
Could just biomass and start again.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2014-05-02 04:04:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
If I found myself with no ISK, no ships, and no fallback resources to draw from (pro-tip: ALWAYS have a small cache of stuff somewhere in case everything goes wrong)... I would start by establishing connections with others.

I would not beg, but rather offer my services.

For example:

- Need someone to clean up your missions/anomalies? Give me a destroyer with Tech 1 salvagers, tractor beams, and cargo expanders. I'll just take 15% of the total value of the stuff.

- You want a hero tackler? I can do that. Give me a bunch of cheap frigates, some scrams, and MWDs... I can do it! I just want some of the loot afterwards.

- Mining can work too. Use a rookie ship to earn myself a Venture and the necessary mods... then go chew up some rocks or (if I'm really ambitious) go look for gas to harvest.

- Run FW complexes in a shitfit frigate equipped with mods and ammo I found ratting. With enough LP... I can earn tens of millions.

- Look around for anomalies out in "backwater" systems few people go to... see if I can nab something shiny to sell on the market.
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2014-05-02 04:07:54 UTC
Never not use someone else's ship.

The real horror would be running out of contacts willing to lend you a ship. In which case, there are single player sandbox games you could switch to.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#12 - 2014-05-02 04:31:50 UTC
0isk? been there. Back when my corp was in the Brotherhood Of Steel alliance, we were in this war in the kari pipe in providence. I would up dying so many times that i had 0 isk to my name. assets scattered all over but no money, and my corp was broke too. i jumped in a noob ship and spent the day mining. thats how i rebuilt

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-05-02 04:35:03 UTC
Jur Tissant wrote:
I dunno, a lot of the big ISK income depends on skills. With less than 100 mil I could set up my PI network again as well as invest in a mining barge. Each rookie ship comes with a civilian miner attached so ammo is only a few cycles away.


Civilian guns don't need ammo :)

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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#14 - 2014-05-02 05:03:19 UTC
Only way I know of people going red is being involved, even if only peripherally in RMT, so when the transactions were retro canceled, and the isk deleted, players could find themselves hundreds of millions or billions of isk in the red.

IIRC jumping through gates requires a small fee, so you would be trapped in system and only run missions in that system, or rat, or mine. Being in the red would make it impossible to purchase anything or even sell anything on the market because you have to pay fees and taxes. But you could do missions until you got some good modules, or ask for direct station trades in local, maybe for a probe launcher and probes. Then you could scan down abandoned ships for you own amusement.

I don't think plex would work, since you would need to pay fees to sell the plex.

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#15 - 2014-05-02 05:31:24 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
I don't think plex would work, since you would need to pay fees to sell the plex.

Good point, totally forgot about that.

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Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
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#16 - 2014-05-02 06:01:15 UTC
If I lost everything and had positive sec status, it would be easy enough to rebuild. Just run the tutorials missions somewhere and you're basically set.

With my current sec status, that would however not be an option, I doubt a noob ship can tank the police (not to mention all those other noobs in tutorial systems who enjoy the idea of shooting a red ibis.) I would start out mining and ratting in my noob ship in low sec, perhaps steal some gate camp's leftovers. The first mil would probably be the hardest, after that I can upgrade and things will be back to normal pretty quickly.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#17 - 2014-05-02 07:00:06 UTC
0 isk? I would buy PLEX and continue flying ships I enjoy and have skills for.

If not PLEX there is Angel project and no doubt I could get fitted thrasher from them. And with that thrasher I would go to lowsec and hunt for clone soldiers and BS rats. I don't think it would be long before I could afford more than just ammo supply for that thrasher.

Or I could hit complete rock bottom and sign myself up to FW and spin around buttons in novice plexes with my free rookie ship (assuming they are allowed in them).

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Sabriz Adoudel
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#18 - 2014-05-02 07:17:10 UTC
Trevor Dalech wrote:
If I lost everything and had positive sec status, it would be easy enough to rebuild. Just run the tutorials missions somewhere and you're basically set.

With my current sec status, that would however not be an option, I doubt a noob ship can tank the police (not to mention all those other noobs in tutorial systems who enjoy the idea of shooting a red ibis.) I would start out mining and ratting in my noob ship in low sec, perhaps steal some gate camp's leftovers. The first mil would probably be the hardest, after that I can upgrade and things will be back to normal pretty quickly.


Yeah you could run level 1 security missions in lowsec, and the bottom two or three tiers of anomolies, until you got enough to get a real frigate (should be an hour or so), then a destroyer or cruiser.

The experience of actually *using* meta 1-2 rat drops would be interesting.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-05-02 07:20:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
0 isk? I would buy PLEX and continue flying ships I enjoy and have skills for.

If not PLEX there is Angel project and no doubt I could get fitted thrasher from them. And with that thrasher I would go to lowsec and hunt for clone soldiers and BS rats. I don't think it would be long before I could afford more than just ammo supply for that thrasher.

Or I could hit complete rock bottom and sign myself up to FW and spin around buttons in novice plexes with my free rookie ship (assuming they are allowed in them).


they aren't. but a frigate with a laser should not be hard to come by.

edit: i do not see myself putting all my eggs in one (sizable) basket, but if i ever found myself with an empty wallet, i could always sell an alt or two and use the isk to leverage a new trade career.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#20 - 2014-05-02 07:42:30 UTC
Doesn't character transfer require PLEX?

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