Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If anyone caught the stream earlier, fozzie stated that we are finally getting a balance wave for some of the T3 subsystem that are currently unused.

Anyone else excited? T3s have been my favourite ship addition since their introduction. This deserves a discussion thread!

T3 rebalancing has been on the to do list for a while. It was merely pushed down the line until T1, T2 and faction rebalance was done. That being mostly done, T3s are next. And boy will there be tears. Better stock up on Station Warehouses to collect them.

Gonna be awesome isn't it? They should be ship-of-the-line for big alliance subcaps, expensive, lethal but all thats really worth using at the moment are the niche point proteus and webbing loki. I guess you get the odd slippery pete tengu but damn I want a reason to fly more of em

We all know that the T3's are about to be nerfed in oblivion.
The geniuses in charge feel that T3's should be jack of all trades, master of none.
And we all know how well that works in the Eve universe.

I have a Loki and Proteus, both of which I have loved flying.
Proteus was a mini-marauder mission / low sec boat (have not flown it since the first Omni nerf made it useless), and the Loki was a low sec exploration boat (was out cruising this morning in it).

Both ships will have no use whatsoever after fozzie is done "loving them".

Not that it matters in the overall scheme of things.
High sec missions and incursions will be obliterated next (just like high sec / low sec industry just was), so the majority of the player base won't have an opportunity to use them anyway.

That is, until they submit to the yoke of the cartels.

There's loads of stuff that 'jack of all trades' is great for if done right, look at the stratios. Especially now we have mobile depots for refitting. T3's better subsystems will need a little nerf of course, but if they could re-fit on the fly like a carrier they would see plenty more uses. They would go from being basically HACs to allowing some of the different playstyles fozzie was talking about.

Imagine a squad of cloaky nullified tengus that could refit on the fly depending on the situation. They would never be as good at any role as a dedicated T2 variant but they could adapt to any battlefield scenario making versatility a credible choice.

I hope the Laser Legion is competitive after the T3 balancing. It sucks so hard atm

Here's what I project will happen:

-Defensive subs, excepting the adaptives, will get their resists knocked down to force recon level. 10% rep bonuses will get knocked down to 7.5%, if nerfs aren't too hard, they might get something nice added like cap usage bonuses for reps.

-Offensive subs will get nerfed slightly; you'll see 7.5% bonuses get knocked down to 5%. Higher damage modifiers might be used to compensate, specifically on the Tengu. Loki will get its split weapons system either changed to a straight missile one with an explosive damage equivalent of the Tengu, or keep the split but have more gun and missile slots to balance better. Legion will likely get a range bonus added for its missiles, and keep the current lackluster missile dps.

-Electronic mods will be interesting. It is entirely likely that they will swap the cloak subsystem from offensive over to electronic, namely rolling it into the locus analyzer sub. Short of this, they will either move around or change the cloaky offensive sub, i.e. amarr and gallente getting their cloak sub getting moved over to drones, and improve the original subs with tracking speed and/or firing rate bonuses. I can see certain subs like the dissolution sequencer and locus analyzer subs along with the ewar ones getting a heavy nerf. Legion neuts will likely see a decent buff.

-Propulsion subs will likely get a slight buff. Subs that increase ab speed will see a decent increase, and mwd subs that help with sig and cap will also see a buff. Grav capacitor rigs might be changed somewhat into focusing a little more on travel time, and nullifiers will stay the same.

-Engineering subs will either be left alone apart from slight numerical tweaks, or have their secondary combat effects removed.


These changes will result in the ships generally having less power than equivalent t2 hacs for their offensive and defensive purposes, less ewar usability than recon, but will perform in a wider capacity than either of them ever possibly could. They just won't have stupidly large tanks

Just let me used saved fittings with a mobile depot and I don't care how hard you nerf my tengu's damage.
Or let a T3 re-fit without the use of a mobile depot... that would be awesome!

Allowing T3s refit of rigs would be another possibility. With all those theoretical subsystem combinations, you have to either stick to a few you prefer and make the rigs as universal as possible, or rip them out and replace them then rip them out and replace then rip them out and replace them...

You get the drift.

Not sure you'll find thousands of Legion pilots.

We all know the main 6-5 subsystems need toning down a touch. I think T3's power should be the ability to be reactionary. With T2 you pick the best ship for the job. If T3's lost slots being tied to subsystems, and could switch them on the fly without depots (With some penalty - emptying capacitor and shutting down engines so it couldn't be used mid engagement) being a swiss army knife starts to work.