Warfare & Tactics

This is not my oldest toon. I enjoyed the original mechanics for quite some time before they were fixed.

I am.

you Mabego.

Promise me you will never change.

Controlling your "home system" is what its all about huh? You can lose the other 99 systems but if they can't take this one then you are "winning."

I have to say this reminds me of the Notre Dame Navy rivalry. Notre Dame beat navy over 40 times in a row. But then the streak snapped. So presumably Navy could then say "Nobody beats Navy 50 times in a row!"

When eve came out with Faction war and later when inferno came out we really didn't hear many claims that holding 2 or 3 systems was winning. It seems this way of winning was more of an after the fact claim to victory. Gallente can't hold the space so they are going to redefine victory not unlike the navy fans.

When faction war first came out lots in amarr said the tier system and reward structure is broken. (after all that was a huge part of the changes!) We were told we were just crybabies and we should get out there and try to win the broken system. I and a few others did, but it just became obvious to us it was broken. Now it seems people agree its broken. But now they have changed the goal. Now all those changes that deal with various rewards for occupancy plexing (really 90% of the changes) are irrelevant. The only thing that matters is whether we get kicked out of our home station.

Ok EVE is a sandbox so you can set your own goals and claim whatever subjective victory you want. But I would just point out that holding on to your "home system" is just a matter of who can get the largest blob and into a single system the longest. In other words its just null sec but with training wheels.

Its pretty clear to me that the intent of fw is that people would fight for occupancy throughout the warzone - as that is what the rewards are structured around. The rest is just a matter who can outblob the other or random rvb pvp.

Your basically saying we didn't want those systems anyway - and refusing to admit that something is broken. I think we should accept that fw has potential but it needs some work to fix it.



No its still what fw is about. You see I don't do what you did. I don't see that I haven't accomplished something and therefore decide that I can still claim to "win" without accomplishing it. I don't think holding onto a single system is "winning" the war.

The thing is I accept the truth that fw is geared toward occupancy but the mechanics needs to be adjusted so the game is worth playing. Right now it's not. You just make up your own victory condition - getting lots of killmails or whatever. That's fine too but really you can do that in rvb or null sec or low sec as a neutral. Gathering a bunch of killmails for your epeen really has nothing to do with fw in particular.

double post, please delete

quiet slave. /me smacks mabego

You can only dock in one station at a time. Why would i care about occupancy beyond the fights it generates and the isk it periodically provides.

The current system gives everyone what they want, apart from those like yourself and a few others whos goal is to dominate the enemy factions indefinitely thus ruining FW.

Your goal is not a good one, nor is it healthy for FW or EVE.

how does a battlefield that's active around the clock while you're sleeping, working, exercising or feeding your face in any way compare to a team that fails to win matches they're in full attendance at?

I've only been in FW since the start of Retribution and have already seen at least half a dozen organized, capable alliances make a run on the warzone telling everyone "we're going to take the medal for x side" only to fall apart with TWO SYSTEMS remaining. It might not be an outright victory to prevent one system from falling, but it's definitely a victory for the people who actually fight when they can truthfully say "we saved the militia right here".

I think it would be fun to try to do your bit in a larger operation to control a region of low sec. It would be fun if the mechanics made it feasible to do this through pvp. However it is not feasible with the current mechanics.

So you can either drastically lower your expectations and look at fw like rvb with the occassional blob of a home system, or you can argue for changes that would make fw great. But if you do the former don't pretend your not lowering your expectations to fit what is feasible under a broken system.




You make it sound like I am in favor of station lockouts. I am not. I want the losing side to be able to continuously put up a fight. And I am against mechanics that prevent that. My goal is to have Faction War be a continuous pvp fight happening in plexes throughout the disputed regions. I think ccp can do this if they finally implement changes that players have been recommending for a long long time.

wrong thread.