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Star Wars Casting: Where are the Women ??
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#81 - 2014-05-03 23:06:42 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
women are supposed to act young, cute, and childish--while still being encouraged to be mature and (somewhat) self-sufficient.

Shocked
Well at least "somewhat" self-sufficient, eh? hehehehe
In before the thread melts. Ahh but then this is just a game forum.
*grabs some popcorn*

I'm in it for the money

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#82 - 2014-05-04 13:36:53 UTC
Ian Morbius wrote:
Always liked Gena Rowlands as Gloria Swenson in Gloria (1980). One hard ex-mistress of a mobster.


Whatever you do, do not miss Miss Swanson in "Sunset Boulevard". It's sorta like a David Lynch film but from the 1950s. Big influence on him.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#83 - 2014-05-04 13:39:56 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
People say "girls this" and "girls that" in these discussions, but when talking about the males it's "men this" and "men that".
It's such an ingrained piece of sexism in our society that almost nobody ever notices until it's pointed out to them.



It's all we had to notice until about 1970 or so. It's still ingrained horribly. Go to any baby and parenting site, and everything is still blue for boys and pink for girls. Period.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#84 - 2014-05-04 13:41:47 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Ripley was changed from male casting to female without one single word change in the script.

So when Lambert lunges at Ripley and screams "You bítch!", that was improv?

It probably was, actually.



Indeed, but that quick action was in the Director's Cut, and not what was presented in the theatrical release. But it's an inportant 5 seconds IMHO.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#85 - 2014-05-04 14:12:48 UTC
I find that many of the strong roles for women are found in movies based on real women and their trials, tribulations and successes.

The movie Songcatcher is a good example, but even then she is still painted as women that needs man's assistance in stereotypical situations. I know a little about the lady the movie is about and I am pretty sure she was not as soft as the movie made the character out to be. Do not get me wrong, she was no pushover in the movie.

Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Men can play any role except a woman.


This has been done and is being done more frquently. Granted, the roles I am thinking of are typically about a man dressing up as a women and not really a man playing a role written for a women.


James Amril-Kesh wrote:
People say "girls this" and "girls that" in these discussions, but when talking about the males it's "men this" and "men that".
It's such an ingrained piece of sexism in our society that almost nobody ever notices until it's pointed out to them.


I spent years trying to get my athletic administration and the athletes to stop saying girls soccer or girls swimming and diving.... Finally, after about 2 years, they switched all their print to Women's.


Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Gender equality is when a female character can do what male characters do in movies: seduce people, control the relationship, and wield the power to end the relationship.


Which we do have now, granted the examples are pretty dark. Fatal Attraction and Disclosure. Ironic or not the Michael Douglas stared as the dominated male in both movies ShockedQuestion
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#86 - 2014-05-04 14:18:34 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
I find that many of the strong roles for women are found in movies based on real women and their trials, tribulations and successes.

The movie Songcatcher is a good example, but even then she is still painted as women that needs man's assistance in stereotypical situations. I know a little about the lady the movie is about and I am pretty sure she was not as soft as the movie made the character out to be. Do not get me wrong, she was no pushover in the movie.



I actually saw that film ! One of my ex's wanted to watch it. It's good, but man, you sure have to have the stomach for super-primitive hillbilly spiritual songs. Surprising how one can hear the European, especially Irish influences in the American Backwoods Songbook.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#87 - 2014-05-04 14:22:47 UTC
Social Media doesn't really do much to help the advancement of women especially in how they "headline" things.

Funny article that normalizes the silly headlines

"It's a bit nippy out !! Rihanna shows off her nipples.....Again !!"

changed to: "Woman goes to sports event. Wears top."

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#88 - 2014-05-04 14:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
I find that many of the strong roles for women are found in movies based on real women and their trials, tribulations and successes.

The movie Songcatcher is a good example, but even then she is still painted as women that needs man's assistance in stereotypical situations. I know a little about the lady the movie is about and I am pretty sure she was not as soft as the movie made the character out to be. Do not get me wrong, she was no pushover in the movie.



I actually saw that film ! One of my ex's wanted to watch it. It's good, but man, you sure have to have the stomach for super-primitive hillbilly spiritual songs. Surprising how one can hear the European, especially Irish influences in the American Backwoods Songbook.


I am from Virginia and a big fan of bluegrass. Even though I am agnostic I am completely able to enjoy the spirituality of the old hymns. I believe that has to do with the fact that I realize how hard things were back then for the common people and too boot with absolutely no 'answers'.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#89 - 2014-05-04 14:26:33 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Men can play any role except a woman.
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That's so very true. They can come close, but there is always going to be a "tell". That Adam's Apple is hard to get rid of indeed.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2014-05-04 15:10:42 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Social Media doesn't really do much to help the advancement of women especially in how they "headline" things.

Funny article that normalizes the silly headlines

These headlines can produce an image of women that is probably impossible to achieve, but makes it seem like the norm.

I'm criticizing it while being 100% guilty of thinking that way.

I think men really can have exactly the same image problem when looking at any men's fitness magazine, or romantic comedy leads, or action movie stars, etc.

We've forgotten that people come with lumps and imperfections..

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2014-05-04 16:15:31 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Referring to women as girls is not really chauvanism, for the most part. I haven't noticed any trend toward telling women that being girls is immature or not to be desired, rather just the opposite, women are supposed to act young, cute, and childish--while still being encouraged to be mature and (somewhat) self-sufficient. Boys are taught that they need too act older, stronger, and more mature/experienced than they really are. If anything, men are getting the short end of the stick here.

You're seriously missing the point.
Chauvinism, perhaps not, but it is sexist, especially considering you're trying to reinforce your point by making allusions to how women and men are "supposed to act" which is in itself predicated on sexism.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#92 - 2014-05-04 16:20:25 UTC
Post-Partum Patient: "Is it a boy or a girl ?"

Graham Chapman: "Isn't it a bit early to start imposing roles on it ?"

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882