Ships & Modules

min\maxing my amarr skills and I'm training few of those now and started planning on EFT Apocalypse fit to test on L4s.

pretty much wanted pulse over beam for some reason I find pulse extremly fun to play...

at any rate let's do vs sansha fit with the skills adjusted to what I'll have once i'll try to use it...



So vs sansha fit...
This fit will be cap stable with everything running....
EHP - 65 k
EHP\s - 337
DPS - guns 230 \ light scout 75 \ medium scout 120

Reading this pretty much makes me confused... I got pretty good missile skills \ shield tanking skills and I used to do L4s in SNI and cruise missiles...
With cruise I get pretty pimped dps considering I got cruise 3 \ missiles 5 \ all support missiles to 3 - meta 4 launchers and t2 BCU.... with this apocalypse fit for some reason I get here same dps like my cruiser (omen) :P thus I'm confused here about how to pimp my dps on that future fit.
tank wise I think cap stable perma running should be ok as I used to run XL-booster on the SNI with cap booster 800s, though with shield tanking I managed to get pretty good omni tank which I think might be harder to achieve with the armor tanking but we'll cross that bridge once we get there.

so ... thoughts ? :P


EDIT:
my bad... wrong crystals.. I use microwave for long long range until I can close the gap but with multifreq ones I get on this fit 460 dps with guns only.
thoughts?

hmmmp...
I just didn't figure out the armor tank alternative for shield tank pulse boosting use cap booster. Most armor tanks fits I've seen online used some sort of stable cap running just in case, so what's the alternative?

And why it's considered must to have T2 guns just for starters? I get with the skills I'll have 17 km optimal using multifreq and 47 km optimal with microwave and the meta 4 pulse guns... that's plenty of range.
From my experience in L4s using the SNI most stuff will start shooting somewhere around 40km range, with cap stable on everything and 330ms on ship speed (same as non AB cruiser hull) shouldn't be hard to catch up with the bigger ships for multifreq banging and the small ones will close in anyway.
Also might want to consider apocalypse gets tracking speed bonus from the hull.

what you think?

hmmmp interesting...

what about tank?
considering with shield I'll use cap booster and pulse XL shield booster how do you properly tank amarr BS for pve?
run Large armor rep cap stable? what is the proper way?

Armor tank, pulse repper, use tracking computer or 2 in mids.

Nah, you just have to be a little bit smart with cap management. Don't fit ships to be cap stable with everything running because you don't always need everything running. I mostly use missiles so I perma-run my AB, but I think with large guns, you probably don't want to perma-run the AB anyway because it will screw with your tracking. You don't need to perma-run your repper or your guns either, but often you might find that in times when you're not using guns, the repper might run cap stable anyway. In the times when you're not running repper or guns, your cap will regenerate.

The booster isn't usually really even necessary if you can manage your cap well, but there are still times when you'll be grateful for it.

I think Amarr is generally the 'hardest' race to fly in terms of required skills and pilot skills. They're also pretty niche for PvE.

^ agreed.

@ OP:
also consider using faction heatsinks, implants, and faction ammo, nice dps Inc's considering the cost v risk of loss.
Also, dmg specific faction hardeners are cheap if you cant fit t2

Okay where do I start...

Never use standard crystals. Either use Imperial Navy or T2. For level 1-2 missions it doesn't matter but after that T1 crystals are just a bad idea. T1 pulse lasers are useless because you can't use Scorch. You have to use horrible low DPS long range crystals. Use T2 hardeners. If you don't have the skill for them wait to fly a battleship. With MJD fits you can cheat on the tank but not this. Tracking Computers... You need at least 2. Amarr is the worse race to make cap stable. If it's cap stable you probably need to check your fit.

I bolded some words to make it easier to read.

Just curious why are you trying to fly a Amarr armor tanked gunship when you were skilling for a Caldari shield tanked missile ship? Maybe your are spreading your skills too thin?

Well I was flying SNI with cruise (meta 4) and T2 shield tank (+obvious t2 scout drones). L4s were pretty snooze fest I could afk in them.

Then I thought let's try gunnery as it was matter of let's say week to get my gunnery to same level as my missile skills, mostly due to the fact I had to shut off the cruise launchers as rats would die before the next volley reached them and thus I wasted ammo... so over all I wanted to try something new.

But you right as long as I read more into this type of ships it seems much more difficult to specialize in.

Well if it's only going to take you a week to get your guns where your missiles are I would say you don't have a huge amount invested in missiles yet. Nothing wrong with deciding you don't like shield tanked missile ships but do it soon before you spend months training for them.

Have you tried a Raven? With the missile velocity bonus you will have less issues having to shut down your launchers. The tank isn't like the SNI so you won't fall asleep.