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[Crius] Jump Drive Isotope Consumption

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Ltd SpacePig
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#81 - 2014-04-29 14:10:35 UTC
Wow.. this is gonna affect the smaller alliance a lot more then the ones i think that CCP wants to affect by this change.

This change is not to buff the ice market btw.. this is a change to nerf the power projection in EVE and CCP is to coward to say out laud so they push it into the industry changes P

Why not work with the underlying reason for the power projection problem instead off taking the easy way out and change a number in a table? The bigger alliances will adapt and this will have no change in the way we operate while the smaller alliance will get a hard time.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#82 - 2014-04-29 14:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Querns
Capqu wrote:
Querns wrote:
Capqu wrote:
Querns wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We're going to go ahead and use Resgo's suggestion. Instead of the increase in fuel bay size we will decrease the volume of isotopes by 1/3. OP updated.

Thinking on this, there's one outlier -- jump bridges. You may want to go forward with actually increasing the bay size on this, as messing with the volume of LO3 has some hilarious knockbacks related to cynos that you probably don't want. (Non-expanded interceptor cynos, anyone?)


isotopes aren't liquid ozone you dumb GOON

Uh, yeah, but he said they aren't increasing bay sizes any more. I'm saying still do it for the Jump Bridge.

Gosh.


how should i know how jump bridges work u took our fuckin sov

Did not. LAWN did.

I'm still sore about that too -- they nationalized a bunch of moons I was mining in that renter pocket under your noses. Sad

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Grarr Dexx
Blue Canary
Watch This
#83 - 2014-04-29 14:14:50 UTC
Another member of CCP showing off that you don't necessarily need brains to get a job in Iceland.
Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#84 - 2014-04-29 14:15:36 UTC
FFS, will you be expanding the fleet hangers on carriers?
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#85 - 2014-04-29 14:15:49 UTC
Good thing I have a stockpile of ICE for such a price hike!
iskflakes
#86 - 2014-04-29 14:16:20 UTC
Thead Enco wrote:
FFS, will you be expanding the fleet hangers on carriers?


Fozzie fixed this issue by making the isotopes smaller.

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Marketing Chairman Stalin
Space Marketing Department
#87 - 2014-04-29 14:17:21 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
Thead Enco wrote:
FFS, will you be expanding the fleet hangers on carriers?


Fozzie fixed this issue by making the isotopes smaller.


can we get a size comparison
RoCkEt X
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#88 - 2014-04-29 14:18:42 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
Thead Enco wrote:
FFS, will you be expanding the fleet hangers on carriers?


Fozzie fixed this issue by making the isotopes smaller.


LEET, YOUR POAST IS OF INSUFFICIENT LENGTH

DisREGARD
-Lee
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#89 - 2014-04-29 14:18:59 UTC
Grarr Dexx wrote:
Another member of CCP showing off that you don't necessarily need brains to get a job in Iceland.



Hats says "you're next in line for a job, then"
ZehNarume
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#90 - 2014-04-29 14:19:09 UTC
Marketing Chairman Stalin wrote:
iskflakes wrote:
Thead Enco wrote:
FFS, will you be expanding the fleet hangers on carriers?


Fozzie fixed this issue by making the isotopes smaller.


can we get a size comparison


please current m3 to updated m3 in increments 500m3 to the size of a titan fleet hanger of 100,000 m3 pls
Marketing Chairman Stalin
Space Marketing Department
#91 - 2014-04-29 14:19:47 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hello everyone!

In the upcoming Summer release we are making a lot of changes that we expect will impact player behavior surrounding manufacturing, mining and starbase use. We see an opportunity here to make some adjustments to the way that Jump Drives consume their isotope fuel that will hit a few birds with one stone.

The goals of this change are:
  • Stimulate the isotope (and therefore ice) market to help cushion any drop in demand from players using smaller starbases after the science and industry slot changes.
  • Help encourage cost competitiveness for local resource gathering in nullsec.
  • Although we don't expect this change to significantly impact behavior around jump drive power projection, it should at least provide a small incentive change through higher costs for moving huge capital fleets often.

The plan for this release is to start with a 50% increase in the fuel cost of all jump drives and jump portals, and adjust further if necessary once we see the results. This change applies both the the base consumption of ship based jump drives, as well as the isotope consumption per kg of mass on all jump bridges and portals.

To compensate for the extra isotopes that ships will need to carry, the volume of all four isotopes will be reduced by 1/3, to 0.1m3. Thanks to Resgo for some excellent feedback.

For reference, this will increase the cost of running a max skilled Rhea from Jita to RIT-A7 (jump drive transit the whole way) from ~50m isk to ~75m isk.


where are the tables?!?
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#92 - 2014-04-29 14:20:33 UTC
Anyways

Please go forward with increasing the bay size on jump bridge modules, given that liquid ozone isn't a tope (poor reading comprehension abounds here but I figure I oughta be explicit) and usage is increasing.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#93 - 2014-04-29 14:21:11 UTC  |  Edited by: XavierVE
Grarr Dexx wrote:
Another member of CCP showing off that you don't necessarily need brains to get a job in Iceland.


He really is the dumbest, isn't he? I haven't seen a single post by Fozzie that was well-thought out, nor a change that really made sense. The game is just as imbalanced prior to his hiring, in some ways, moreso.

This is such a stupid change. "We'd like to spur null sec industry! Oh, by the way, now your JF runs cost 50% so you can't import materials as cheaply to do that null-sec industry!" That's really smart, given that the main limitation on any null region is that you only have access to a limited amount of moon material natively. To think that isotope prices will go DOWN because "more people will be mining ice" is also pretty dunderheaded. Take an economics class sometime.

******* intelligent. The last MMO I played extensively was ruined when the developer went cheap-o and hired "devs" who could do nothing but change numbers. CCP has made the same mistake with this clown. All he can do is randomly change numbers, he can't develop actual content. Wouldn't be so bad if he had any sort of long-term vision of the kinds of unintended consequences his inept additions to the game actually cause.
Marketing Chairman Stalin
Space Marketing Department
#94 - 2014-04-29 14:22:26 UTC
XavierVE wrote:
Grarr Dexx wrote:
Another member of CCP showing off that you don't necessarily need brains to get a job in Iceland.


He really is the dumbest, isn't he? I haven't seen a single post by Fozzie that was well-thought out, nor a change that really made sense. The game is just as imbalanced prior to his hiring, in some ways, moreso.

This is such a stupid change. "We'd like to spur null sec industry! Oh, by the way, now your JF runs cost 50% so you can't import materials as cheaply to do that null-sec industry!"

******* intelligent. The last MMO I played extensively was ruined when the developer went cheap-o and hired "devs" who could do nothing but change numbers. CCP has made the same mistake with this clown. All he can do is randomly change numbers, he can't develop actual content.


of sound mind more like of sound badposts
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#95 - 2014-04-29 14:22:50 UTC
XavierVE wrote:
Grarr Dexx wrote:
Another member of CCP showing off that you don't necessarily need brains to get a job in Iceland.


He really is the dumbest, isn't he? I haven't seen a single post by Fozzie that was well-thought out, nor a change that really made sense. The game is just as imbalanced prior to his hiring, in some ways, moreso.

This is such a stupid change. "We'd like to spur null sec industry! Oh, by the way, now your JF runs cost 50% so you can't import materials as cheaply to do that null-sec industry!"

******* intelligent. The last MMO I played extensively was ruined when the developer went cheap-o and hired "devs" who could do nothing but change numbers. CCP has made the same mistake with this clown. All he can do is randomly change numbers, he can't develop actual content.


You can just titan bridge your jf, its half the cost of jumping it.
Needmore Longcat
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#96 - 2014-04-29 14:23:46 UTC
Thanks CSM for looking out for players!
Letseatlunch
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2014-04-29 14:24:02 UTC
I guess I wont be doing any small gang blops ops any more :/ thanks fozzie
penifSMASH
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#98 - 2014-04-29 14:25:27 UTC
XavierVE wrote:
Grarr Dexx wrote:
Another member of CCP showing off that you don't necessarily need brains to get a job in Iceland.


He really is the dumbest, isn't he? I haven't seen a single post by Fozzie that was well-thought out, nor a change that really made sense. The game is just as imbalanced prior to his hiring, in some ways, moreso.

This is such a stupid change. "We'd like to spur null sec industry! Oh, by the way, now your JF runs cost 50% so you can't import materials as cheaply to do that null-sec industry!" That's really smart, given that the main limitation on any null region is that you only have access to a limited amount of moon material natively. To think that isotope prices will go DOWN because "more people will be mining ice" is also pretty dunderheaded. Take an economics class sometime.

******* intelligent. The last MMO I played extensively was ruined when the developer went cheap-o and hired "devs" who could do nothing but change numbers. CCP has made the same mistake with this clown. All he can do is randomly change numbers, he can't develop actual content. Wouldn't be so bad if he had any sort of long-term vision of the kinds of unintended consequences his inept additions to the game actually cause.


CCP Fozzie please increase jump fuel consumption by 5000000% for people named "XavierVE"
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#99 - 2014-04-29 14:26:23 UTC
Letseatlunch wrote:
I guess I wont be doing any small gang blops ops any more :/ thanks fozzie


Be less poor
Marketing Chairman Stalin
Space Marketing Department
#100 - 2014-04-29 14:28:09 UTC
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