Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nice lets get rid of all those new bros is this a Goon engineered plan to increase membership? CCP stomping on the little guys again.

This change is a simple increase in transportation costs. It's bad for null sec, it's bad for highsec and in practice there isn't a single group of players who'll benefit from it.

What industry that does occur in null relies on some imports from Empire. If you make importation costs equal (or exceed) the cost of local production more goods may be produced in null - however isotope usage will actually drop, so it fails to help the ice miners as planned. In addition almost everything will cost more in null than empire - this impact will be felt least by large alliances with efficient logistic chains.

For the high sec population imports of moon products - that must be imported - will rise in price. This has an inflationary effect on the whole T2 economy. The speculation on this change is already raising isotope prices, coupled with an increase in usage the actual cost to move moon products to empire could double or more.

if they keep making bad changes like this im just gonna unsub. it wont make costs in their example go from 50 to 75. the fact that fuel will get burnt quicker and create a higher demand will make it at the very least go from 50 to 100+ mill because the demand will go up so sharply. and with more demand a larger price will follow. i dont feel like paying 1500+ isk a tope.

NO! CCP NO! *Gets rolled up holoreel* BAD CCP BAD!

People who mine topes won't benefit at all. There are two reasons for this:

1) The reduction in isotopes usage from towers will be offset by the increase in usage for jump fuel. That's the stated objective. So there will likely be no net increase in isotope demands or a sustained increase in isotope prices. There will be some movement in racial demands as caldari research towers are removed and archon jump costs increase. That is all.

2) The isotope price is actually set by other income producing activity in eve, such as mission running or ore mining. If the isotope prices become high enough Ice mining will attract enough players from other activities to bring to it back down.

Bottom line is these changes hurt almost everyone permanently to avoid temporary pain for the ice miners. Consider the alternative where lower demand (from a reduced number of towers) sends the isotope prices down - It just means some ice miners will mine something else, supply will shrink and the price will bounce back. Likely within the space of a couple of months. What's the harm in that?


The other two goals of this change are:

• Help encourage cost competitiveness for local resource gathering in nullsec.

This will actually do the opposite, the cost of importation will always set the price difference between null and highsec. Even if more people are attracted to build in null because of higher margins the only competition will be importers. So instead of importing for X, people will now build for X +20%. Why is that better?


• Although we don't expect this change to significantly impact behavior around jump drive power projection, it should at least provide a small incentive change through higher costs for moving huge capital fleets often.

If increased jump fuel costs even bother alliances with huge capital fleets, then I'm certain that power projection will be the last thing to be trimmed in the budget. Various member benefits (the rewards for being in a huge bloc) will be cut first, actually driving people back to hisec, or out of the game.

So let me get this straight..........

You make it so that anyone who wants to mine in highsec needs to have a pos; and make it possible by removing standings requirements. Which should cause a massive increase in demand for POS fuel.

You get worried about a demand decrease in POS fuel and then nerf fuel consumption for jump drives to protect isotope prices.

I R CONFUSED!!!!!!!!!

Question. Will CCP pay for the hospital bills of all the 0.0 Ice miners who get priapisms from the price spike?

Fozzie? HELLO! Fozzie, you still around man?

Don't you see all the negative responses here?

WE DONT WANT IT!

CCP LISTEN TO YOUR PLAYER BASE WHO ACTUALLY PLAYS THE GAME!

I don't like this change much either. I fail to see or understand how increasing everyone's fuel cost, and by extension the prices of goods outside of high-sec, is a good thing.

I'm open to a good explanation though, maybe it'll change my opinion.

It looks like a good plan to me. I'm sure time will tell, either way!