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[Crius] Jump Drive Isotope Consumption

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#241 - 2014-04-29 17:41:02 UTC
tigger digger wrote:

How is an Amarr jump freighter pilot supposed to use "local resources" in Gallente space?


Don't ask him questions he cannot answer, that's unfair discrimination!

UI Improvement Collective

My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
CorryBasler
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#242 - 2014-04-29 17:41:54 UTC
CCP ruining eve-online 1 bad idea at a time. Oops
Wal-Mart Security58
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#243 - 2014-04-29 17:42:01 UTC
My confusion comes with some of the misguided comments that CCP has made in the past about trying to make 0.0 more accessible and survivable for smaller corporations/alliances. This directly goes against that effort (if it ever truly existed).

It seems at times that you (CCP) go out of your way to push people out of the game. I don't quite understand why this change was needed, or what it accomplishes, aside from making 0.0 life more difficult for the smaller corporations/alliances.

If that was your goal, then great job.
gascanu
Bearing Srl.
#244 - 2014-04-29 17:48:21 UTC
Wal-Mart Security58 wrote:
My confusion comes with some of the misguided comments that CCP has made in the past about trying to make 0.0 more accessible and survivable for smaller corporations/alliances. This directly goes against that effort (if it ever truly existed).

It seems at times that you (CCP) go out of your way to push people out of the game. I don't quite understand why this change was needed, or what it accomplishes, aside from making 0.0 life more difficult for the smaller corporations/alliances.

If that was your goal, then great job.



No no, they are trying to make ppl leave empire and go live in 0.0.... into 0.0 large coalitions more exactlly, since those will not be affected at all at member lvl;
bigger 0.0 coalitions> bigger 0.0 fights >bigger news about CCP
Paul Tsukaya
Doomheim
#245 - 2014-04-29 17:50:45 UTC
One group of people who will 100% benefit from these changes that we haven't heard much from in this thread so far:
Wormhole natives.
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#246 - 2014-04-29 17:52:47 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

[list]
  • Stimulate the isotope (and therefore ice) market to help cushion any drop in demand from players using smaller starbases after the science and industry slot changes.
    • After having read the latest blog that having additional facilities in your POS will provide some meaningful benefits, I'm not sure this is a definite enough prediction to base a change on. Perhaps a short "wait and see" period before CCP directly intervenes in the market?

    Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM
    Vaju Enki
    Secular Wisdom
    #247 - 2014-04-29 17:53:55 UTC
    This is a huge change to balace the game. Thank you.

    The Tears Must Flow
    Sato Page
    Auctor Illuminatas Infinitum
    #248 - 2014-04-29 17:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sato Page
    *************************************Thanks Obama! ***********************************

    CCP, you really hope you could force people to buy PLEX by artificially create mass inflation? You really hope people will not notice? I'm not double paying for your game.

    *************************************Thanks Obama!************************************

    Dinsdale Pirannha for [u]CEO [/u]of [u]CCP[/u]
    Talos Katuma
    Helion Production Labs
    Independent Operators Consortium
    #249 - 2014-04-29 18:00:29 UTC
    I'm getting the feeling this is one more stone that pushes 0.0 for being big coalitions only.
    Shu Guang
    Corporation of DEA
    Memento Moriendo
    #250 - 2014-04-29 18:00:45 UTC
    Welcome to another episode of dumb and dumber.

    Rubicon 1.1 - CCP celebrates ClusterF**K day.
    Vaju Enki
    Secular Wisdom
    #251 - 2014-04-29 18:03:07 UTC
    The first step to fix power projection.

    The Tears Must Flow
    Dave stark
    #252 - 2014-04-29 18:09:03 UTC
    tinfoil time.

    so now everyone has switched to caldari shield capitals, let's hike the prices of all the isotopes. i mean, it's not like it's going to give the CFC a nitrogen isotope monopoly-.. oh, wait....
    Viribus
    Wilderness
    IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
    #253 - 2014-04-29 18:09:59 UTC
    Thanks for fixing nullsec industry! Now if I want to move my Naglfar I can simply mine the ice belts of Delve for the abundant Hydrogen Isotopes they contain!!!

    watch me be a scurb and get owned
    Chase Hakoke
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #254 - 2014-04-29 18:12:48 UTC
    This is a good change, but I don't think it goes far enough.

    What we need is to have a tax imposed on every jump that goes straight into CFC or PL coffers. Instead of doing all this backend programming work with fuel usage and cargo increases... we can get right to the meat of the issue: ******* over the little guy. I'm sure my PL and CFC broskis will agree that this change is for the best.
    Easthir Ravin
    Easy Co.
    #255 - 2014-04-29 18:13:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Easthir Ravin
    Why do we hate the free market so much. This just crushes small Corporations Logistical Cost. Way to punish capability. Instead of insentivizing success CCP in their socialist wisdom, miss the mark.

    With so much that actually needs to be fixed, why fix stuff that is not broken? Maybe this is why World of Darkness went away?

    IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES:  " I drank WHAT?!"
    Aefolatt Amos Itoga
    Viziam
    Amarr Empire
    #256 - 2014-04-29 18:13:28 UTC
    It looks like CCP is getting their money back for failure of World of Darkness. 40% price increase of PLEX, buy ships for real money, now increasing prices of fuel etc.... It does not look like:


    "In the upcoming Summer release we are making a lot of changes that we expect will impact player behavior surrounding manufacturing, mining and starbase use. We see an opportunity here to make some adjustments to the way that Jump Drives consume their isotope fuel that will hit a few birds with one stone.

    The goals of this change are:

    Stimulate the isotope (and therefore ice) market to help cushion any drop in demand from players using smaller starbases after the science and industry slot changes.
    Help encourage cost competitiveness for local resource gathering in nullsec.
    Although we don't expect this change to significantly impact behavior around jump drive power projection, it should at least provide a small incentive change through higher costs for moving huge capital fleets often. "

    More like:

    we want you to spend more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    :D
    1Robert McNamara1
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #257 - 2014-04-29 18:14:33 UTC  |  Edited by: 1Robert McNamara1
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    We're going to go ahead and use Resgo's suggestion. Instead of the increase in fuel bay size we will decrease the volume of isotopes by 1/3. OP updated.



    Please take a step back and examine this closer.

    This change impacts:

    • Ice compression (pretty big nerf to this)
    • Fuel Block compression (now an expansion)
    • Does nothing to help PI people impacted by the 'pre-buff' to the ice market anticipating mass POS withdraw


    Overall:

    • Not convinced the POS withdraw will be as massive, is there data to support this?
    • If it is substantiated, what are you doing for PI markets to shore them up?
    • I thought the Industry guys hadn't given final word on how to make multiple RnD/Build modules on a single POS an incentive... does this mean they've abandoned that model entirely?
    • ----Coalitions like mine, apparently, have the scratch to deal with these price changes. Smaller 'bottom up' entities probably don't. - this increases the barrier to entry for new/starting groups.----- See edit


    Edit: small group guy below this post said I shouldn't talk about what I don't know... fair enough.
    TrouserDeagle
    Beyond Divinity Inc
    Shadow Cartel
    #258 - 2014-04-29 18:23:14 UTC
    can't help but notice that all of the 'but it will hurt small alliances!' objections are from enormous nullscrub blob coalitions
    Vaju Enki
    Secular Wisdom
    #259 - 2014-04-29 18:24:12 UTC
    CCP starts poking the "elephant in the room", entitled people start to cry.

    Power projection is huge problem in this game and this is the first step to fix it. Props to CCP.

    The Tears Must Flow
    Mr Hyde113
    #260 - 2014-04-29 18:25:49 UTC
    TrouserDeagle wrote:
    Mr Hyde113 wrote:
    Wait, you guys have got time to tinker around with fuel cost and volume but you don't have enough time to give the Revelation a real second bonus?

    Priorities Roll


    it has a real second bonus.


    No it doesn't.