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I really really wish you guys would stop doing things like this. It makes literally zero sense for a station to have infinite production capabilities and have limited corp office space.

Seriously, apply this new fee structure to corp offices as well and make them infinite.

Alright, cool, just wanted to make sure that it wasn't going to assume titans were worthless so all titan build jobs were free :v:

For the most part these seem like really good changes and it seems like they make sense for all those people that do their industry out of stations and whatnot. But I haven't seen much if anything that addresses industrialists that live entirely out of a POS, specifically the wormhole community.

On first glance it looks like I'm going to have to have an increase in my costs with nothing to show for it. :(

The T2 multiple run discount may be irritating to people as it's more money for the t2bpoholder, but it doesn't actually affect anyone else like the copy issue did. No more units get produced so it's not a problem for inventors.

So non-faction warfare lowsec entities get dicked thrice. We don't get to influence factional warfare tax rates, and can't compete with the absence of tax in 0.0, while we still have to pay for 1.5x the fuel to import our materials to our preferred base. Why don't you just remove lowsec altogether?

CSM members like Ripard and mynna talking about us moving into null renter corps. The dev blog states "We're hopeful that the summer release will make manufacturing in nullsec more viable, but we're not attempting to comprehensively address nullsec industry in this expansion".

Yes, we are worried. Myself less than others but I *want* to see what you are doing with POS.

My hopes
As a possibility for multiple modules in a POS, my thought is something similar to a FW or Outpost upgrade bonus. I am biased, and I want POS to be as good as they can be. I doubt we would see many 5 LSAA POS in a wormhole, but we might see 10 Ammo assembly arrays.

CCP, you already know this, you need to fix some things about POS. You can't do everything at once; don't try but ...

• We want more options on security. I limit my corps to 1 division per player. A 7 player corp is ... less than some were hoping for.
• I was hoping for consolidated storage; that has been ruled out. This means we still need alts at a POS to move items even if our manufacture/research mains are several systems over using remote skills. Less relevant for WH corps but not needing to be within 2500m will be nice. You have said you are fixing that.
• I was hoping to store (cheaper) BPO's in PHA's for research and manufacture. This has also been ruled out. (begone foul pirates, nothing to see here, move along)
• You appear to be pushing corps into POS; but POS based corporations have very sharp edges for new players.

I see a lot of manufacture moving into POS. They will be good for some industry, less good for others. Then many more pilots will experience the joy of 'POS' and division mechanics and we will see a new round of abandoned POS.

I want to blog about how great manufacture will be come the revolution. Close, but I am not sure we have the cigar just yet.

I just want to be absolutely sure that I haven't missed something.

Would you consider having nullsec system indices affect these costs? Industry level maybe increases the bonuses from starbases? I can't wait to see how/what that bonus is...I think it could be the foundation of more Eve/Dust links.

I ran some back-of-the-envelope numbers for copying an Aeon BPO.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=23169059 for reference. O7m8

We have an Aeon valued at 15B isk for the hull. Not sure if that's what Eve will show. But for my example, its fine. Per the devblog, a copy job (or any research job) starts at 2% of that value, or 300M isk.

Assuming the Aeon BPO gets copied at a rarely used NPC station (nice and safe location), it would see a global utilization modifier of SQR(.0001%) or .001, which reduces the cost to 300k isk.

Now let us assume for the sake of Goons, that the research toon is copying in 5ZXX-K in NPC Pure Blind. Its conveniently close. But the index will likely be poor. So a 300k*.98 = 294k isk.

Now add 10% tax, 294k*1.1. 323,400 isk for a 1-run Aeon BPC.

I'm all right with this. It seems the most relevant cost is the system utilization cost. If one were to try this someplace like say... Sobaseki, the costs could become astronomical.

What about mass-produced items in hisec like ammo, where BPCs will be max-run?

Scourge Cruise Missiles are currently selling for 222.99 according to Eve-Markets. 222.99*(2%*1500)*SQRT(.75)*1.1=6273.80 isk installation fee to make a max run copy.

Looks good. As per the blog, making multiple copies will reduce the cost per copy because of volume discount.

And I forgot to ask something. Are the station modifiers static? ie, will they be available in the Static Data Dump, or do they float? Perhaps we could have an API call for them?

As we have all been told the old POS code is a minefield which probably will never be fixed. Best we can hope is that CCP can build a new POS system based on the new deployables, maybe in modular design(In our dreams I hear someone mutter.), and 'slot' it into the client somehow. I'm a born luddite so don't ask me to do it.