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Not when you mine the Ice yourself ! Kappa

Are you kidding me?

Compression array: Smash your high sec plag, kern and other Mex producing ores, and sell to null corps for mark up. Mex is in short supply in null and their ability to buy compressed high sec ores will be a boon.

Refining array: Now can get 100% refine without worrying about NPC corp standings. Way faster to warp to POS, warp backto belt to unload, then to warp, doc, unloadm undock, warp. Especially if you put your POS close to most belts. And since you're going to be doing your manufacturing at POS, from copied BPCs... no more hauling the ore to POS.

Manufacturing: 10% fee for stations? If you are not doing 5 billion a month in manufacturing then you're not really an industrial corp. This is not the markup, but the total price. To make a billion ISK a month, we have to turn 20 billion a month in minerals into ships, mods and ammo since most items sell for about 5% markup. That 20 billion a month equates to a MINIMUM of 2 billion from the station fees.

(yes, most industry corps make their real profit from buying mins/ores from members for below market cost. Themembers do not have to hassle with moving taking below market buy orders, or putting up sell orders and waiting for someone to buy. II count that as market profit or hauling profit, NOT manufacturing profit.)

Copying: This will be huge as corps switch to manufacturing from BPC to protect the BPO from corp theft?



Combining all this, I do not think there will be much, if any, industry (other than BPO ME/TE research) in stations.

I really hope the prices in W-space will be decent even without having stations..

LOL

To attract/retain members, Industry corps are going to have a POS for refining (no need to grind NPC corp standings. We used to get one guy to perfect refine, then he'd have to refine everyone's ore. No more!) and compression array (to shrink your mex/trit producing ores for shipment to null), and probably for copy slots. Combine that with the manufacturing savings, and you will have to have a POS.

If you don't have a POS, then you won't be doing any manufacturing, and probably won't have any miners, because you won't have any members.

My suggestion is simple and keeping in line with everything else. Give POS and POS modules Workforce cost multipliers just like stations. So each assembly array has a .98 workforce modifier. If I stack like 40 assembly arrays on a POS I can push costs down to compete with the best stations. The modifier can be different for different arrays so the Hydo lab could have a modifier of .9 to make it very powerful and keep demand up.

The ability to have low workforce costs and low base % at the same time will make POS useful and of set fuel costs while keeping with the risk/reward. POS will be better than Stations, but at higher risk.

This sounds familiar; the data exposed by the API makes it difficult (but not impossible) to determine what POS modules are associated with which control tower.

Keeping this in mind, how about this: Scale costs based on the total number of ONLINE manufacturing/research POS modules (whichever is appropriate for the type of RAM activity you're doing) owned by your corporation (alliance?) in the system, regardless of what control tower they are at. This is not a perfect approximation, but it gets pretty close, and it should be a lot cheaper to calculate, if I'm understanding the way Eve works internally. You don't have to do it constantly, either, if it's too expensive; the calculations could occur at downtime or even less frequently. You can handwave the delay by saying "it takes time for people to immigrate to the control tower and man the facilities" or some such.

I seem to recall being told that arrays don't track to which corp they belong, which woul make this problematic. But that begats another question: how does the array know to which corp hanger and wallet divisions you have access? Clearly, the answer is that the game is looking at the accessing player's corp, roles, and accesses.

Assuming I'm correct, then is it not simple to do the same thing in order to assess the correct corp tax rate, since the accessing player must by default belong to the owning corp? No more remote alliance access is possible due to remote research being removed.

^Or this.

How did the whole 'forget about POS owners' get through the CSM? Surely someone should've mentioned something that a huge percentage of high sec POSes are lab based. These changes mean that there's no reason to have a POS any more!

A corp can't even charge a public member for use, but with unlimited slots at a station, I don't think anyone would even want to put one up for that anyway. Not to mention that now you can't create jobs remotely and have to have all the materials and BPs at the lab. This makes no sense at all, it's like they just forgot about the majority of high sec industry.

I'm not a fan of the whole NDA until 2 months before release thing either. How can we give feedback to the CSM if we don't know what the changes are until CCP have ****** it up and stated that it's too late to make big changes? What a waste of manpower...

The UI and most of the changes are fine, but this one issue changes the high sec industry dynamic massively and they have no idea what they're doing about it.

Whatever the changes are to starbases, they need to compensate over 400bil isk per month at least. Material and time efficiency bonuses are the obvious choice here.