EVE General Discussion

I'm gonna start by saying that cargo expanders should at least have a stacking penalty. I'm not saying nerf maximum cargohold, I think the base amount should be buffed. The worst thing about industrial fits is that they don't have any free low slots. Also, they really can't haul enough to compete with freighters. The only people I see hauling in industrials are the ones with low SP or are just not hauling much stuff.

I like using an industrial because I don't have enough to fill a freighter, and I like to fly something small and fast, with a bit of armor to fend off suicide gankers. The industrial buff was definitely precedented. Unfortunately, only the Gallente line wound up with a nice arrangement. The little industrials are great for hauling general cargo, but the big ones are still too squishy even after getting a HP buff, and they don't even carry as much cargo as you can tow in some of the redesigned Iteron hulls.

But my real purpose for being here is to share with you my experience flying a Krystallos industrial. I use it on my alt when I mine ice. It holds 64,500 m3 of reprocessed ice products. I can really stock up for a while, and then haul all of that to town at once. That saves a lot of time since I mine ice pretty far away from Jita. And best of all, I have all those low slots free to fit a good tank because Jita is full of gankers, so fitting tank is really important.

I got really tired of losing industrials to gankers back before the industrial buff. People said I just need to fit better tank but that never worked. It wasn't possible to fit enough! Well now it is...well almost. I still got ganked once and that was really annoying. So I think industrials need slightly more HP or maybe more slots.

Anyway, end rant. What do you guys like about each industrial?

Kryos*

It's no secret that Gallente dominates T1 haulers. I use an Epithal for low-sec PI hauling and it hasn't failed me yet.

i'm going to go offtopic straight away and express the opinion that all of the indies should have been designed with 'special' bays (unexpandable general cargos) plus small normal cargo bays so that they weren't designed around filling all their slots with expanders

industrials are boring enough anyway without designing them all around having one fit

even then, though, you're kinda designing the thing around 'it's going to have three expanders'

i'd prefer it something like '18,000m3 special bay +2k per level (that still carries everything), 500m3 cargobay'

then start exploring some more interesting bonuses than 'agility or velocity' and more interesting slot layouts than 'tons of lows plus some mids for the shield tank we both know you're going to use'

Looks like my thread fits just about everywhere.

I don't see a problem with needing 3 or 4 cargo expanders to max the cargohold. You can use rigs to do it, for one. Alternatively, you can use only one or two, and still get the majority of the max possible cargo. It's really the first two that make the biggest difference. And still, even with none, you still have over half the max cargohold. I think a person should have to give a little to get a little.

Nonsense. A healthy debate is always a good thing. A thousand people can notice an obvious problem but if none of them proposes a good fix, then they aren't helping as much as one person noticing and giving a great solution.

The more people you have looking at solutions and talking with each other, the better the net solutions you come up with.

With good fitting skills a Nereus can pack a large shield extender and still fit a MWD/Cloak some Warp Stabs, nanos and a bunch of Hob IIs. Good little lowsec tramp steamer.

T3 Haulers!!

Make it happen, CCP.

Uhh...What drugs are you on?

The Kryos doesn't haul refined ice products. Just verified it, in case there was some weird change recently. Refined ice products only fit in regular cargoholders such as the Itty 5, badger, bestower, etc.

The Kryos only holds minerals in its Mineral bay.

FDK

PS. You may be thinking of the Miasmos, which CAN haul UNPROCESSED/UNREFINED ice from ice belts to station (not "town") in it's ore bay.