Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hey, since you're not going to give freighters rigs anymore, and the new warp speed modules aren't percentage based, thus any and all justification for adding stacking penalties to warp speed rigs has completely and utterly vanished, can we just go ahead and ditch that particular change-for-the-sake-of-change change?

As, since you, fozzie, weren't around for it, stacking penalties were originally created to control the bonuses granted by the fourth stack and beyond. So the effects of adding stacking penalties to something that can only have an absolute maximum of three stacks is so low it won't change fitting habits in the slightest.

For instance, with stacking penalties, the first T2 rig will increase warp speed by 25% of base (duh), the second by 27.15625% of base, and the third by 21.72031% of base, averaging out to 24.62552% increase from base. The average bonus per stack only dropping significantly past the fourth. Since the third rig still provides roughly the same flat bonus than the first, no one is going to look at their travel fit and think "hey, I'll fit something else and lose 21% warp speed for no benefit."

Just for the sake of argument, currently three T2 hyperspatial velocity rigs grant 31.8% base warp speed per, Totaling to 95.3%. Now, 95.3% vs 73.9% looks like a big, worthwhile hit (-21.4%), but, as I and others have mentioned, in actual application practice its only a difference of 12% warp speed.

Also, just because the "consistency" justification hasn't been beaten completely to death yet, the aforementioned is the same reason stacking penalties were never added to trimark armor pumps or core defense field extenders. As their bonuses were essentially prebalanced around never being able to fit more than three.

Otherwise, thanks for finally making the ascendency omegas better than the ws-618 without nerfing the 618. As we were all sure a nerf was coming, rather than a buff

A lot of high sec hunters also use them. Helps a lot to catch people trying to run away.

Thanks for making Ascendancy Omega useful!

I use a lot of HVO rigs, on industrials, on Orca (5.23 AU/s) and frigate-taxis.
And about stacking penatly - whatever, I'll adapt.

So the ships we spent Hundreds of millions or Billions on in order to make them very fast, are now going to take a performance hit?

Are we going to get our money back?

Just as I feared, my harpy mega has lost almost 1 AU of its speed and now sits at 5.06.

CCP, why do you do this to me?