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Agreed. Any 'compensation' shouldn't give them more of an advantage that years of selfishly clogging up research lines did. Rather it should just be some dismally irrelevant plumage bonus that they wouldn't recognise as such anyway. Have their BPOs produce shiny BPCs like Pokemon cards or some such crap. 'Best on the market' indeed...

ok, now that you've unsubbed all your accounts I have 2 questions:

1. can i have your stuff?
2. can you please STFU so we can have a constructive discussion instead of the LHA Tarawa whine hour?

50 is ludicrously over researched and 10 is currently under-researched. No one is going to be building battleships with ME10, so it is a crap comparison. Try a sensible value like comparing current ME 14 and 50.

Then remember that everyone with an ME 14 BPO will have a perfect one in the new system. Picking current ME 10 as the rounding value really doesn't impact current blueprint collections, it is just as good of a number to pick as any.

Even if CCP went for ME14 as the rounding base, the only people it would affect are those researching now for the round up as every other BPO being produced with is going to be at or above optimal. It really doesn't matter if it is 10 or 14 for those people, there is plenty of time to get 14 on any sub-capital and capitals are all perfect long before 14 anyway.

It really is just semantics. No one is hurt by this except the people that thought an ME50 battleship bpo is worth more than an ME15 one. Anyone know knows better will have an ME 15 one and doesn't care.

The fact we even need to discuss this is just building the case for what an excellent set of changes these are.

Quoted to emphasize importance of this question. This definitely needs a prompt decision and even more prompt publication of said decision. I'm pretty sure there are many others like me with giant buffers of T2 BPCs that are in danger of becoming obsolete in case ME/TE adjustments won't get performed retroactive to already invented BPCs.

Given the proposed changes to invention bpcs has any thought been given to improving the ME/PE of of the 2 run bpcs found through exploration - at the moment these are better than you can manage via invention. If invention bpcs are improved that will lower the value of these exploration drops.

Perfect, thank you very much for the fast reply and the in my opinion correct decision

And regarding exploration BPCs, I'd suggest you simply apply whatever increase of ME/TE you plan for invented BPCs. So for example if invention yields a -4/-4 per default now and gets upped to 0/0, then a current 0/0 exploration BPC will convert to a +4/+4 one. Tweak numbers according to actual conversion rules, but the solution might be already sufficient. The number of exploration T2 BPCs is imho small enough to not create a big disturbance in case the "buff" might go a bit overboard (would really like an official hint on the rough ratio of exploration BPCs to their invention counterparts).

Lower demand? It was stated that material numbers might need adjustments so they stay roughly the same with current effective values. Therefore I doubt the few rare cases of material decrease are enough to justify a broad moon goo volume nerf.

Seriously, I can't be the only one concerned about "design by last minute hack" can I?

Once upon a time we were told, if BPO is perfect now, it will be perfect after. Then it was pointed out how the rounding doesn't work that way. The complexity of waste was never in figuring out the waste in a BPO, and if it were, there were plenty of ways to handle that. The complexity came in applying that percentage to the items needed to identify inflections in the rounding point.

So, they decided to hack a change to calculate the waste at run level. But that created the possibility of real oddities, such as needing fractions of a rifter to make a wolf.

So they hacked in a "round up", but that screws over small runs, like single runs of capitals. AND didn't really fix the issue for large runs.

So now a new hack to make sure you need at least 1 of everything.

BUT, moving the extra materials, and rounding up, creates another oddity for invented BPCs needing 2 rifters to make a wolf. So, let's just change invention to produce ME = 0 instead of ME -40.


Nothing good ever comes from software that was not thought threw, and designed by last minute hack.


A 6 week delay in shipping this, SHOULD have been time to take a huge step back and reevaluate what is being gained vs. what is being destroyed.


It should not be used for 6 more weeks of hacking in more not-thought-through, last minute changes.

How many more things are going to be broken in order to try to save these ill-conceived, not-thought-threw designs?

I think you should run your copy and paste ranting threw a spell checker.

@CCP Greyscale:

Any consideration to allowing partially researched blueprints, upon cancellation, to maintain that research so that if I have to move my operation before I've finished my 6 months or 1 year of research, I can keep some of that progress? Basically just like skills...