EVE Fiction

Hi. I'm new. *wave* I had a few questions about the game's story. This seemed like the best place to ask.

*Cloning*
I understand the concept of the clone in EVE and automatic memory transfer. But the EVElopedia leaves out one very important point: consciousness. I consider myself a sentient being. I'm aware of myself, my existance, and my physicality. This would be your consciousness. Or, if you will, an aspect of your soul. If there were another person that was exactly like me in existance, that person would not BE me even with the same memories. My self awareness is in me, not the other person. To quote Data from ST:TNG "B4 contains all of my memories. But even if he did not, he would not be me." Does your consciousness move in to your clone when your prior one dies and it's memories scanned and transfered? Essentially, what is the experience of transfer like? Am I at one moment looking out in to space through my pod and then suddenly I am opening my eyes inside a clone gestation chamber? Or does is the sensation more along the lines of immediate death and a second sentient being awakens with the memories of a previous clone but it is NOT me?

*Warp technology*
Warp speed is not a new concept. Warp five, light speed, hyperspeed, tesseracts, whatever you want to call it. Space is big, after all. 55 miles per hour just isn't going to get you anywhere fast. However, EVE's warp speed is a little strange to me. I read the entry where engines in EVE generate a warp field that encompasses the ship allowing it to be propelled at great speeds. But ships are blind while at warp until the technology to recognize gravity wells generated by all objects in space was invented. There are even stations and starbases that generate fake gravity wells for location detection. So, I would just set a course in a ship on an X, Y, Z coordinate system, and fire off. But there is one problem. In Star Trek, even a single piece of space dust going faster than the speed of light can put a hole in your ship (or you!) Trek tech counters this with navigational shields. This energy bubble extends forward from the ship which deflects all physical matter (space dust, small bits of rock, etc) from hitting the ship. But even this shield has it's limits. Navigational shields won't deflect a large asteroid. And they certainly won't keep you from running in to a planet. So, this all leads me to two questions about warp drive in EVE: do ships in EVE generate some sort of shielding to keep a ship from being destroyed by a piece of space gravel? And what about solid objects like stations and planet? I can actually pass right through them at warp. Does this mean EVE ships phase out of existance when they go to warp? Or is this just a technology limitation of the game?

*The EVE gate.*
I've read all up on the lore of the EVE gate that lead humanity to the EVE cluster somewhere in the multi-universe. Earth's coordinates have been lost and humans were stranded when the EVE gate collapsed. The lore entries describe the EVE gate itself as a wormhole and the opening cinematic proves that including the animation showing it collapsing. But other entries state that the EVE gate is a physical construct in space (I first envisioned a stargate-like structure.) Entries say that it has the letters "EVE" carved in to it (hence my first vision of the gate being a physical construct.) But if you actually fly a ship to the gate's location, the EVE gate is not an empty space where a wormhole used to be. It's actually appears to be a star. Albiet a huge and very bright star. You cannot approach this "star" without the radiation it emits destroying you. You cannot carve your initials on to a star. And from what I've seen, wormholes in the game in other parts of space do not leave any indication as to their location once the wormhole itself collapsed. Why is the EVE gate the exception here? And why is it called a "gate?" "Gate" does not seem an appropriate description for a wormhole (though you could technically call one that if you wanted to.) Wormholes themselves are not called "gates" in any other part of EVE. Just this particular one. I know that the SoE study the EVE gate. I'm rather interested in knowing how they study it..

*Pirates*
The scrouge of any sea. As long as humans exist, there will always be those that prefer to take what they can get rather then earn or make it themselves. I don't see that aspect of humanity ever going away. But pirates in EVE are an odd bunch. First, they do not seem interested in cloning technology. If a pirate is killed, he's dead and gone and recruitement begins to find a new member. The pirates also seem to have no interest in capsuleer technology or simply do not make use of it. In reading up on the pirate factions, some might have religious reasons for this. But a group like the "Guristas" (sp?) would almost certainly like to get their hands on a capsule and would absolutely use cloning technology. And even if some major cloning business evoked their "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" rule, there are surely companies in the cloning business that would have no such moral objections provided you had the ISK. What's with the pirates here?

*The concept of a god*
It's a often used theme to associate the outer areas of space with Heaven in science fiction. The ultimate unknown or the very far away being the afterlife. And religon does have a spot in the EVE story. Including the use, belief, or usage of the term "God." The Sisters of EVE do believe in the divine entity name "God" and that He awaits them on the other side of the EVE gate (a belief that I think they'll be wholly disappointed in if the EVE gate were opened and it simply leads to the Sol System.) But the Amarr religon confuses me. There are occasional references to someone of Amarr descent having received a "vision from God" CONT...

If you don't mind paying money, Eve: Source has all the answers and CCP said the book is THE lore, e. g. it's information is official and supported.

The Amarr do believe in a deity, but - and this is important - not a merciful one. Mercy comes from the Emperor/Empress, not the deity.

Cloning and consciousness transfers aren't exactly easy processes. As Source explains, the moving of yourself between death and the living again is difficult and not all capsuleer candidates survive the first "euthanasia" when in the Academies. The consciousness is transferred in a different way when jump cloning, as your original clone does not expire but something closer to going to sleep. It's much like having a doppelganger, though so far the only person with the technology to have multiple clones of the same consciousness active at once was known as The Broker. The way capsuleers survive from cloning is from the capsule, which scans the brain in a fraction of a second before critical hull failure, killing the scanned pilot in the process but sending the results to a stored body in a clone vat. Some capsuleers also claim to have "soft-clones" which are essentially a get out of jail free card if you capsuleer supposedly dies outside of pod and comes back, but that's another topic.

Warp technology is both a limitation of the game and lore. It's not explained in depth about the question you are asking. You can actually warp into the middle of the sun in the game, or any other large object like a station/planet. Doing so results in you flying out at ridiculous speeds, but does not result in ship destruction.

The EVE Gate was a gargantuan "gate" constructed around an already existing, but unstable wormhole. It was predicted that it would collapse by itself but the EVE Gate was constructed around the wormhole to prolong it's life. Eventually the life came to an end with a catastrophic failure in the gate, the failure of the gate resulted in large electromagnetic forces ejecting from the wormhole and destroying anything nearby, including most of the New Eden system and surrounding star-gates. It's unclear what caused the failure, whether it was a result of the wormhole/gate failing or an exterior force, but the result sent New Eden cluster into a "dark age" with no star-gates/ties to the old world, the colonies suffered and many perished. Today it stands as a giant electromagnetic storm ejecting from a point in space lightyears away. The information about the current state of the star-gate, the wormhole, storm, or the cause of the failure is unknown because it is too destructive to get close to. The EVE Gate is actually several lightyears from the system of New Eden. SoE study it covertly as shown with their recent Sanctuary line of ships, though they do have heavy religious beliefs that the EVE Gate is the key to paradise.

Pirate factions do have clones, though not as many as some of the player run pirate "factions" or alliances/coalitions. Capsuleers tend to be a fickle group of individuals and don't hold their loyalty for long. However, three of the major Empires are run by capsuleers (Shakor, Roden, Sarum). Sansha have some clone pilots like the Citizen Slaves and others during the initial incursions. Capsuleers in general are not looked upon kindly from the general population. There are some who idolize their power but most live in fear of their destructive nature and try to keep them at a distance. Mordu's Legion, and other "pirate"/mercenary factions have used capsuleer/DUST clone services in the past.

The Amarr religion is something of an evolved relic of the past from a certain group of colonists of the New Eden cluster. After the collapse, some religious ideals survived, one being the belief in a single monotheistic deity/religion. The Amarr don't worship man, per se, but the Empress/Emperor are considered the hand/voice of God. The evolution of the belief in the Emperor/Empress having this connection are begun when the Amarr first take over the whole continent on their home planet. For that, you can research the Amarr history as I'm not going to write everything about it as the religious PF is pretty massive.

Hope that helps a bit though. Have fun, the lore is pretty great where it goes into depth. Some parts you have to ignore or be creative.

Ugh. This is the second time I've had to type this out.

I'm aware of the physical and mental tests a potential capsuleer must pass. I wasn't aware of the test's nature though. But that works. What I am wondering is this: if Clone A dies, does Clone A wake up inside Clone B and is a continuation of Clone A's life with Clone A's self awareness? Or does Clone A die and Clone B is a second individual being but has Clone A's memories? It's not true immortality if Clone B is a copy of you but YOU, as Clone A, are dead (and enjoying the rewards or labors of the afterlife.)

I'm aware of the Mind Lock ailment. I read about it last night. The Jove warned the Caldari about the condition and said that the condition could be avoided with intense training. But the Caldari leaders didn't want to wait that long and many of the first capsuleers were trapped within their own minds.

As for the whole "Warping through solid objects" bit, I'll just chalk that up to a software limitation. There's no point in pretending that your ship phases at warp if the lore doesn't support it.

So, the EVE gate is a physical construct around the wormhole and not the wormhole itself. You can certainly carve the letters EVE on that. That is interesting because the opening cinematic does not show us this. When the wormhole began to collapse, the gate attempted to keep the wormhole open and the resulting tensions caused the electromagnetic explosion. This may also explain why the only planet in the New Eden system is said to contain absolutely nothing. The electromagnetic explosion oblitereated everything possibly right down to the atomic level. This may also punch a whole in the theory that the Jove have cloaked any wrecks containing advanced technologies. There is nothing there after all. Or there may be cloaked wrecks just as the theory suggests. I doubt the Jove are going to comment one way or the other. Finally, this explains why the Sisters believe the EVE gate has a divine origin. It's not uncommon for humans to label things they do not understand as "magical" or "godly." This leads more credence to my theory that the Sisters would be very disappointed to learn that the gate, if opened again, would lead to the Terran sector and not "Heaven."

While I understand that being a capsuleer has a stigma associated with it, these are pirate groups we're talking about. The Amarr offshoots like the Blood Raiders might hesitate to use capsule technology (though I doubt it,) but Bunny from the Geristas sure wouldn't! That guy strikes me as a mad genius. And even if he was afraid of putting his own life at risk, well, that's what "volunteers" are for.

So, the Amarr have an Egyptian outlook in that they believe their Emperor / Empress is a mortal extension of their god which may or may not be a benevolent diety. It's just like the way ancient Egyptians believed their Pharaoh was a god. Still, the EVElopedia entries do not really make any attempt to define the Amarr god. Although, that may be deliberate. I wonder if the Amarr know that their Emperor / Empress is an elected position chosen from a pool of participants (of which the losers are required to commit ritual suicide.) I'll bet that the church suppresses that fact.

Good stuff.

Oh, sorry. The Guristas leader is named "Rabbit." Not "Bunny." I ought to just call him "Bugs."

To be clear on a couple of things here:

- The Amarr do not generally believe that the Emperor/Empress is God incarnate, but rather that he/she has a direct link with God and so speaks and acts for God in the mortal realm. Think of it as the difference between someone BEING another person, and someone repeating the words of another person speaking in their ear.

- The trial of election leading to a new Emperor being declared is a highly publicized process, and something the laypeople of the Empire would be well aware of. In fact, they would be hard-pressed to miss it - the participants, being the heads of the royal houses, are well-recognized and honored by their subjects and their sudden replacement could not go unnoticed.




Regarding clones and consciousness: Echoing what Graelyn has said, exactly if and how a consciousness is transferred, copied, etc has always been left unsaid by CCP for good reason. Leaving these questions unanswered not only allows for the various factions to develop their own views about it, but allows our characters to do so as well.

You can add even one more question: Does a ship increases its mass (which is just another form of energy. mass and energy are in fact equivalent.) when its speed approaches that of light?




As mention before, the name is on the human made gate, which got installed to stabilize the wormhole for a given time.



truthfully no plan what so ever.

Ehm. Yeah dont do that. EVE is closer to a Sci-fi fantasy/space opera setting, then to actual Sci-fi. I could do a long boring thread about that the Khanid Independence topic breaks laws and lore. Or that as it looks like, that for the Federation partially opportunity cost dont exist etc... Or that some Caldari stuff are just inductive babble which makes zero sense in any way. Or that some statement/paradigm about factions are so in the left field, that a micro-level which explains indivudial behaviour is not possible (aka a Weber-bath-tube) (an example for this problem is the racism paradigm of the Empire). Im to lazy right now to link all my past critique on CCP, thats why I just left a link to the Backstage forum.

So here I can just say: DONT DO MY ERROR. SEE EVE AS SPACE OPERA. the less you think about stuff the more fun you will have.


Yes. (I would even say... that they, or the EVE universe would not see a difference or lets say the difference which you state with "primary" and "other".)


Then you are a dualist. Which believes there is a difference between the first and second body.... or lets say, how believes that a unmaterialize/substance-less/unique conscious/soul exist which can not be transferred through the pod, therefore all clones are different. Or is your point even more? That only the first person has a conscious/soul and all the clones which come after him are without one (therefore no humans). Meaning.... Those just the first/born person has a conscious/soul and the clone has not one? Or every person and clone has a conscious/soul of his own which just can not be transferred?


No they dont. CCP has clearly stated that there were several clones actives in the same time. Saying that they have not a conscious/soul is like saying, that the Doppelgänger/the other Broker clones are not humans (and therefore have no rights). As I said before TonyG has already (without knowing it) answer this question. He clear stated in the books that conscious can be multiplied, therefore it most be monistic (in the EVE setting).


This is how it is. You should never forget CCP sells a power-fantasy. Even the old intro was all about this power fantasy of immortality.

Don't take one CCP author's interpretation as Law.

There have been several. They do contradict at times. Nature of the Beast.